Ondrej Holzman Apple will release iOS 8 today and one of its new features is iCloud Drive, Apple's cloud storage similar to, for example, Dropbox. However, if you don't want to run into synchronization problems, definitely do not activate iCloud Drive after installing iOS 8. The new cloud storage only works in conjunction with iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite, while we will have to wait a few more weeks for the latter operating system for Macs.
If you install iOS 8 on your iPhone or iPad, then turn on iCloud Drive while using OS X Mavericks on your computer, data sync between apps will stop working. However, after installing iOS 8, Apple will ask you if you want to activate iCloud Drive immediately, so for now choose not to.
iCloud Drive can of course be activated at any time later, but there would be a problem now. The moment you turn on iCloud Drive, app data from the current "Documents and Data" location in iCloud will silently migrate to the new servers, and older devices with iOS 7 or OS X Mavericks, which will still operate with the old iCloud structure, will not have access to them access.
On my blogs, I draw attention to this issue, for example, to application developers Day One a Clear, because they have applications for both iOS and OS X and synchronize with each other via iCloud (alternatives such as Dropbox are also offered) and if iCloud Drive were activated on the iPhone, the MacBook with Mavericks would no longer be able to access new data.
With iCloud Drive, it will be more reasonable for most users to wait for the official release of OS X Yosemite, which is currently still in the testing phase, although the public beta is also available for regular users, not just developers. It is speculated that Apple will release OS X Yosemite to the public during October.
And what about syncing Apple apps like Contacts, Calendar, etc…?
Given the text in the article above, I assume that the advice only applies to users of system 10.9 and lower and does not apply to users of the beta version of Yosemite or some versions of Windows?
I understand it well that if I have one device with iOS 7 (iPhone 4, which cannot be upgraded to 8), then I am in trouble... because it won't work with, for example, an iPad with iOS 8 or a Mac? This is IMHO a nice mistake - similar to the upgrade to iOS 7, when the new iWorks runs only on it (not on iOS 6) and the older version does not "get along" with the new ones on the Mac... Apple is starting to annoy me a lot - previously one older device it didn't affect the function of the others, I just said goodbye to a certain functionality on the given device. Now, if I don't have all the latest models, I'm screwed with the entire ecosystem. I hope at least the basic contacts and calendar will work. Other data will have to go to dropbox.
as far as i know apple gives new systems for free. you have the option, also for free, not to install new systems.
you bought an old device with a system that must have worked. if you get some other new system for free, it can be considered as a kind of bonus that no one has committed to. there is no one's obligation to patronize you with new systems for the duration of your life. I don't understand your socialist thinking and ingratitude!
This is not a new system. It is an "update" of the service that connects and actually forms the entire Apple ecosystem - i.e. the connection of all Apple devices. Hell, take some space on the server, there are plenty of free alternatives for that, but losing the ability to synchronize the calendar, reminders and the rest would be a definite disappointment. I see no reason to trade in a fully functional and adequate iPhone 4 and iPhone 4s for new phones just to share calendar, contacts and reminders. There isn't a single HW and SW reason why it won't continue to work. It would just be malice.
Like Radim above you, you didn't get it. I don't expect my old hardware to be supported forever, I do expect a functioning ecosystem. If I don't update IP4 (and I can't - OK), so far it looks like I'll lose what worked now (my assumption, which I'm questioning in the original comment). I don't want and I don't expect Apple to support all functions until I die on historical iron, but I do expect that it won't break what works. So if it's confirmed, then yes - I blame Apple for its inability to make the service backwards compatible (I suppose a symlink on the server would be enough). I'll give you another example - I have an older macbook and I don't complain that I can't get video via air play (only audio works), I have an IP4 and I don't complain that I don't have Siri - but I would complain if my calendar stopped working because of it. However, it could happen next time that I update the Mac and the IP4 may stop making calls and sending SMS. I don't ban Apple and I don't deny it the right to do it (you're completely off the mark with some socialism here), but I reserve the right to criticize it... I'm a big fan of Apple, but not fanatically uncritical. I have a lot of devices from them, and I'm even more annoyed by these slip-ups and the trend that Apple has been following in recent years. But I was looking to see that IP4s can be bought for a good price, so I'll probably solve it by upgrading and hoping for some IP7mini :-)
we don't touch each other so i think
apple is a company that wants to make money. logical. yet it maintains its customers and provides them with free (OS X until recently at a ridiculous price) system and sw updates. if anyone gets upset that something doesn't work for them, they have to make it work for them. if apple starts to annoy you by giving something away for free and lo and behold it doesn't work with something old (even if only a few months), it smacks of socialist thinking to me.
if you buy something and it doesn't work, go claim it under warranty. if it's out of warranty and it doesn't work, you're out of luck. not apple, not the company. you are a loser if you are cursing, but no one cheated you, no one sold you anything bad, even probably no one even promised you anything and you still get angry, "I" sense socialist thinking in that.
I don't know, I have a habit of talking in internet discussions, but if it somehow offended you, I apologize.
I don't think criticism of anything smacks of socialism (I'm further from it than anything else). I'm not demanding any functionality, I'm not forcing Apple with some EU directive to let me do what I like on my old phone. I just got upset about something that didn't suit me. Of course, I don't have to buy it, etc., etc. Just because something is free doesn't mean it can't be criticized. But if the alternative, as written in the neighboring comment, is not to turn on Drive at all, then I'll take it - that's fair. I got the (probably wrong) impression that the Drive function will be required by the new system and applications, if it's just a feature that I don't need to use and won't "break" incompatible devices, then ok.
you must be a good beast :-D his nickname is Lukys and they get angry when someone touches him in a single way. I love them :-D
lukys: if you don't understand what ZD is talking about, why are you commenting unnecessarily? I don't care about the opinions of a fool :-)
The solution for you is not to activate iCloud drive and stay on iCloud. We also have an iP 4 at home and I will do the same because I don't want to take it out of sync. Although the other 3 devices support it. so I have to be satisfied with the current functioning and wait for the news in Cloud Drive.
Great, so if this works, that's great. I don't use Drive, I have Dropbox. Thanks for the "reassurance" :-)
Am I correct in saying that you are bashing Apple for not wanting to support a 4 year old device? On the contrary, I would be happy to have iOS7 there at all. With other systems, users can only dream of such long support.
You don't understand, see below.
I already activated the idiot in the beta and now I'm struggling with it. I'm a little afraid of the connection, because I really have everything in iCloud, including company documents, and I'm curious how the difference in document versions will be handled. I keep everything up-to-date on iCloud Drive, but it's quite difficult because the only device with iCloud Drive is my iPad and I upload everything there manually from the Mac.
But what about incompatible devices? I have an iPhone 4, can I delete numbers and pages from my phone?
I have a feeling that if you are using the beta, everything will be deleted from your iCloud drive when the full version is released. So definitely back up!
Maybe not. Anyway, I'll go for it, thanks!
Can I ask how synchronization takes place, or rather if system applications such as calendars, contacts, safari bookmarks, etc. are synchronized at all between iPhone 4 on iOS 7 and iPad iOS 8? Thank you.
No problem :-) The only problem is the documents, but I think Apple will release an update to numbers and pages and they will communicate with the drive, but maybe I'm wrong, we'll see.
I would recommend not activating iCloud Drive until you buy a new phone with iOS 8 and continue to function normally as if there was no iCloud Drive.
1) sync asks whether to keep the file from the mac, another device, or keep both versions. also lists the time and in which the device was last changed
2) why would apple delete all files? icloud drive is ready, it's used in both ios beta and yosemite beta.
3) if ios 8 comes out earlier, it means that there is plenty of time to check if the files are visible. and it is absurd to claim (assume) that a month after the launch of icloud drive in ios 8, the data will be deleted from yosemite. well, I assume that you don't rely on the quality of third-party services and backup even if the iCloud system is not supposed to change.
There was never a need to back up with iCloud, the documents are in the cloud and physically in a folder on the Mac that is in TM. The problem only occurs now, when switching from iCloud to iCloud Drive.
What about iphone 4?
It's in the waist. Unless it's 4S
Of course, I only learned about the fact that there is no need to turn on iCloud drive when I turned it on on my iPhone. I told myself that it doesn't matter anymore, so I also turned it on on the other iZariadeniach. Fortunately, the calendar and the rest seem to work.
But what annoys me is that the iCloud drive still doesn't seem to work like I did in the pictures and iWork has the same dialog as before. Even after updating iWork…
Hello, what ZD writes also annoys me a lot, I have already written to Apple a few times. Roughly, have they abandoned their innovative directions and rushed to copy the competition, which is exactly what it smells like to me, or more precisely, it seems to me that now it is more important how much Apple has seen than how good their device is. See band from iPhone 6+. A similar situation and trend seems to me also in the SW field. I believe that something like this would not be possible under Steve. On the other hand, they have everything well thought out and now they actually have 5s 6 and 6+, maybe they will really come from a combination of 6+ and 6mini. And sw, leave it alone for a couple of years and just tuning.