Ondrej Holzman There has been a lot of hype surrounding the new MacBook Pros. Rarely does Apple receive such a barrage of criticism from a community of otherwise very loyal users and supporters after the introduction of new products. Many dislike her and she has become one of the targets the impossibility of buying a new computer with 32GB of RAM.
Apple did not act of its own free will this time, but it does not install more than 16GB of RAM in the new MacBook Pros because it is not technologically possible. At least not in a way that the PCs have any meaningful endurance.
Since MacBook Pros have always been regarded, thanks to their nickname, as computers mainly for "professional" users who deal with video, photography or perhaps application development and really need the most powerful machines, many people objected that 16GB of RAM in the new MacBook Pros is simply enough for them won't be.
It is certainly a valid concern from these users, because they usually know very well how they use their computers and where they need the best. Apparently, for the vast majority of users, 16GB of RAM will be fully sufficient, even thanks to the very fast SSD that MacBook Pros have. This is exactly the opinion of Jonathan Zdziarski, a leading expert on digital security associated with iOS, who decided to verify his premise in practice:
I ran a whole bunch of apps and projects (more than I'd ever need for work) in every app I could think of on the MacBook Pro. These were apps used by professional photographers, designers, software and reverse engineers, and many more—and I had them all running at once, switching between them, and writing as I went.
Zdziarski launched almost three dozen applications, from the simplest ones that usually run in the background to the most demanding software.
Result? Before I could use up all the RAM, I had nothing left to run. I was only able to use 14,5GB before the system started paging the memory, so I didn't even have a chance to use all that RAM.
Regarding his experiment, Zdziarski describes that, given the results, he would probably never be able to reach the maximum RAM load, because he would have to open many more projects and perform more activities. In the end, he tried his attempt one more time to try to use the MacBook Pro to the maximum, and thus opened practically everything that was offered to him (in bold, the processes he performed more compared to the original test):
- VMware Fusion: Three running virtualization (Windows 10, macOS Sierra, Debian Linux)
- Adobe Photoshop CC: Four 1+GB 36MP professional, multi-layer photos
- Adobe InDesign CC: 22-page project with lots of photos
- Adobe Bridge CC: Viewing a folder with 163 GB of photos (307 images in total)
- DxO Optics Pro (Professional Photo Tool): Photo file editing
- xcode: Five of Objective-C projects being created, all cleaned up and rewritten
- Microsoft PowerPoint: Slide deck presentation
- Microsoft Word: Fifteen of various chapters (separate .doc files) from my latest book
- Microsoft Excel: One workbook
- MachOView: Parsing daemon binary
- Mozilla Firefox: Four different sites, each in a separate window
- Safari: Eleven different websites, each in a separate window
- preview: Three PDF books, including one book with lots of graphics
- Hopper Disassembler: Performing binary code analysis
- WireShark: Performing computer network analysis during all of the above and below
- IDA Pro 64-bit: Parsing 64-bit intel binary
- Apple Mail: Viewing four mailboxes
- Tweetbot: Reading Tweets
- iBooks: Viewing an ebook I paid for
- Skype: Logged in and idle
- Port
- iTunes
- Little Flocker
- Little Snitch
- OverSight
- Finder
- Messages
- FaceTime
- Kalendář
- Contact
- Fotky
- veracrypt
- Activity monitor
- Path Finder
- Console
- I've probably forgotten a lot
Again, the system started paging memory before Zdziarski used up all the RAM. Then it stopped launching new apps and opening other documents. However, the result is clearly that you need to run a really large number of applications and projects in order to be able to use 16GB of RAM to the full.
Zdziarski also states that he did not run Chrome and Slack during the test. Both are known for being too demanding on the operating memory, which is why many people don't even use them. After all, Zdziarski points out that precisely poorly written applications with errors can often significantly contribute to the consumption of operating memory, as well as applications that, for example, run in the background when the system starts and the user does not use them at all. All of these are good to check.
Anyway, if you don't work a lot with audio or video in applications like Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro and others, then you usually shouldn't experience a problem with lower RAM. In addition, this is where the line breaks between those real "professional" users who, after the last keynote, are justifiably angry that Apple still hasn't served them a new Mac Pro after almost three years.
But if we're talking about people who run Photoshop, edit photos or occasionally play with video, then it's certainly not the group of users who should be screaming because they can't buy 32GB of RAM.
Ad: "Anyway, if you don't do a lot of audio or video work in applications like Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, and others, then you shouldn't usually experience a problem with lower RAM."
Exactly. It is enough for some editing of pictures or videos in the field. But as a desktop replacement, the macbook pro is inadequate.
In fact, these MacBook Pros should have been the new MacBook Air. The Macbook pro should have remained as it was, even with the 99.5Wh battery and could have had 64GB of RAM.
The new Intel processors, which will use the less energy-demanding RAM, will arrive at the beginning of 2018 and not next year. So the macbook pro will have 32GB of RAM in two years.
The MacBook Pro was never a desktop replacement. Suddenly, everyone wants to have a "workstation notebook" with MB Pro, but Apple has never produced such a thing :) For a workstation, you have to go to Dell or Lenovo, where they put Xeons in those notebooks for professionals. I'm not talking about the fact that all the "professionals" work perfectly well on 2015s until now, but suddenly double performance is not enough for their work? :D It's also pretty stupid to judge the performance of computers through one number (ram) (not to mention the fact that no one has actually had it in their hands yet).
I agree! Nobody who writes here hasn't tested it yet, but everyone knows it's on him..well. It's a problem for a lot of people to learn something new when I already know it (touchbar). When further tests show (and I firmly believe) how the new MacBook Pro is doing. There is no faster SSD in any laptop. There are a lot of brains out there who think something but can't prove it yet.
The first reviews are already starting. I am looking forward to the first videos where I will compare the same specs on win machines :P
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/thomas-grove-carter/one-professionals-look-at_b_12894856.html
Confusion abounds at Apple. It's unbelievable how little time it took for this company to go completely off track when it comes to products. The non-updated Air series - which really makes sense to get thinner and thinner. And the totally messed up MacBook line - MacBook Pro. Who will want a MacBook with one port? And who MacBook Pro with 4 USB-C? They could experiment with the Air, but MacBooks are for work and this is not a new series.
It seems - that the comrades at Apple decided to terrorize their users just to make it look like they are doing something new. But the truth is that living and working with Apple today is much harder than it was 5 years ago.
The question is how far does it have to go before the investors get it and fire Cook.
Why should investors dump cook please? The CEO is responsible to the board of directors, who are interested in nothing more than the company's numbers at the end of each quarter. And since I make those numbers from 90% of iPhone sales, I'm going to go for a macbook for everyone.
You're right. But how long will it be - before Macy Cook also buries the iPhone? Being the head of an investment fund, that's how I deal with it. I would be quite interested in how Cook explains to them the rapidly declining market share not only for Macs (more than 10%!), but also for iPhones. Because I would deal with that as an investor too - because sooner or later it will have a major impact on cash.
since apple is trying to get into the corporate sphere mainly through ipads, i doubt that they are bothered by any macbook declines. in my opinion, the development of computers goes completely aside because they do not have it in their hands as much as iPhones and iPads, for which I make the processors myself. but waiting every year for the delivery of a processor from Intel and aligning the rest of the components according to them (graphics from another supplier, ram from another supplier, probably also ssd from another supplier) and especially the system simply does not work. the production chain will be many times longer than it is for the iPhone and iPad. and in addition, the iPhone, i.e. the iPad, is itself a brand within a brand. it can always be seen on iPhone 7. no advisory changes compared to 6 or 6s have arrived. the body has remained the same, only there are new colors and people over it the same strength and I buy it as senseless because they saw it with 5 people on the tram to work, so it has to show up with it too.
Tim Cook is to Apple what Steve Ballmer was to Microsoft.
Yes, it's currently in Apple on a macbook pro, but one day I'll be using it for customers as well.
And when I start screwing customers over the iPhone as well, Apple will be able to pay out the billions of dollars they have in their accounts to the shareholders, and I will be able to close.
Apple apparently pays more to graphic designers for the new emoji in iOS 10.2 than to engineers for the new Mac Pro.
Did you ask anyone who actually uses the single port Macbook? The vast majority of people never connect anything to the notebook during the entire time of use, and this also applies to the Pro (not to mention the fact that it is now possible to connect 3-4x more things than the old one)
If the MBPro is to be a professional machine, it should have at least 32GB of RAM. Only the app I have for photos recommends 16GB of RAM or more.
A professional machine does not have to be the thinnest.
Additionally, battery life is questionable. As it is being worked on, the maximum half of the stated 10 hours is realistic. Maybe not even that.
But that's what counts.
Also with no need for a 2TB internal drive. Everyone I know via photo/video/sound still has data on the external HDD.
Beyond RAM, connectivity is still needed. So a million reductions in the bag.
I've been working in PS all weekend and I still don't understand what the light bar of icons would be for me. I use keyboard shortcuts anyway and I don't even have to look at them.
I've had Apple since about 1995 and I'm saddened by how it's turning into a consumer product. Jobs was closer to people who create something.
Consumer goods that no longer fulfill that exclusive service as before. There is starting to be more trouble and more senseless restrictions than is healthy. There was a time when Apple didn't have much money, but it was great to work with. Now I have piles of dust, but it's misery. It makes products for products and not for people. :(
This is simply a poorly understood article. Instead of the defense of limitation, it should point to its existence and the impossibility of expansion. For me, MBP is dead because of the virtual Fn, I would still try 16GB of RAM, but it wouldn't be an upgrade for me - I already have them... so I'll lose another customer for Apple. These MBPs are no longer Pro. They are only for friculins, shame.
For me it is dead mainly because of the absence of hardware "Esc" - it is one of the most used keys in my case (Fn is obsolete - in the terminal I use Esc-n instead of Fn anyway) in Wolfram Mathematica I use Esc more than often. In other programs as well, and the idea that I'm still visually checking whether Esc is currently lit on the Frikulin bar or not seems evasive and definitely not professional. 32GB RAM is a "must have" for it to be a serious upgrade and basically I don't care why it's not there, the important thing is that "it's not there". They didn't have to make the battery smaller, they didn't have to make the points thinner, they could have put a different chipset in there, I don't know - let them solve it however they want - they're the biggest tech company, not me :-) Another thing is connectivity - I'm not against upgrading the ports, but practically I need to work now and not in the future, so a certain degree of backward compatibility is not a bad thing - especially when even Apple itself does not use USB-C in nearly all products (eg iphone). One last thing - NVidia - until there are "CUDA-enabled" graphics cards again, there is no point in upgrading. Although we have OpenCL, practically no one seriously counts on it, so bad luck :-(
In theory, it doesn't have to be that hot with that ESC. The Touch Bar is divided into three parts: System button, App region (buttons for specific applications), Control Strip (control of brightness, volume, etc.) Just to the left of the System Button is the ESC key. Developers will probably be able to hide it, but if you're talking about a specific application where ESC is heavily used, then I don't see why developers should hide ESC.
The problem is that you can find the classic key blindly and you don't have to look for it. You'll probably have to jump on the touchbar to hit.
Many things can be automated. Regardless of how quickly and also almost blindly, many people have been typing on the keyboard on the display for a long time. Mobile phone, tablet... So I'm not afraid that not only people who learn to play perfectly on instruments without fretboards will also master the esc key without a button in no time.
That button reacts in a similar space as before. You don't even have to press it directly, but also next to it, so it shouldn't be a problem when you're blind.
Sure, I don't want to criticize the TouchBar. I'm skeptical, but I haven't tried.
Mr. Tzatziki should start NetBeans sometime and see that memory disappear right away…
According to this picture, almost all applications are compressed in RAM. Only the kernel is not compressed.
More than 4GB of RAM are compressed, almost 3GB of RAM is in swap.
So the processor has to work on compression and decompression, and it also has to save it to the swap disk and read from the swap. Let Apple try to convince me that I don't need energy for this.
If there were 32 GB of RAM, then no compression or saving to swap happens.
RAM compression takes place automatically and does not depend on the amount of free RAM at all. So it would run even if you had a TB of RAM there. It's actually an automatic built-in feature. And it's true that when I used to have 4GB and they introduced it, it led to a rather pleasant acceleration of work.
Well, that's not true. Compression starts only when the RAM is occupied. I currently have less than 6GB of RAM out of a total of 8GB. Compressed and swapped is exactly 0B RAM. But I know that when I occupy it, it will first start to be compressed and then swapped to disk.
Well, I have 16GB of Ram on my macbook and when I turn on Xcode, Affinity Designer, Parallels Desktop (with 3GB of Ram) and a couple of other things, after a few days it already swaps. The system is quite ok, but I would just like the 32 GB for the new machine.
technologically impossible? meaningful endurance? so I assume that the person who needs it will not edit the video, etc. somewhere at the bus stop, but in the comfort of his home or office, and he will probably find a socket there, right?
But that's just not Apple's mindset.
And what is Apple's mindset? That I will one day put my laptop in my pocket because it will be as thick as a mobile phone? I personally don't have 15″ pockets, but someone probably does. I put my macbook in my backpack and I don't care if it's two or three centimeters thick. Of course, I can feel the weight, even if even an extra quarter of a kilo wouldn't tear me away either.
I understand, but rather than making a thicker laptop with better internals, Apple simply makes the laptop thinner and ditches the strongest components. The trend has been clear for a few years now. Of course, it doesn't suit everyone.
But that's just a shame. There was (still is, but already half-dead) the Air series, which was just for people who wanted the best possible mobility (and I understand that there are such people). The new Pro series is a hybrid in my opinion, and that's a shame.
This new council was to be called air and was to remain as it was. With a large battery and at least 32GB of RAM. Just who would pay almost 2000 euros for a basic model macbook air?
Not a single MacBook Pro has had the best available components. It's always been something in between and it's the same this year too, even though I think this one will have incredible performance for real use. You have to wait for the first real reviews.)
The core of the poodle is that the 16GB is just enough now. But a Macbook (the chorus now for the bats) is an investment for 3-5 years and that may no longer be enough. Especially if we take into account that the Macbook is already non-expandable in terms of RAM. I personally rejuvenated my 2009 Macbook twice. First by expanding the RAM from 4GB to 8GB, and secondly by replacing the HD with an SSD.
finally someone here wrote a comment exactly on the subject. and this is the only argument why there should be at least more GB of RAM for an additional fee. machine per kilo is at least 5 years old and who knows what will happen in 5 years. although on my early 2013 mac I do 3D in cad sketchup and I'm still rendering it, so it's quite comfortable for me and I manage to take a look at a full hd movie during rendering.
Apple (unfortunately) does not really think that a newly purchased device is an investment for 3-5 years.
I don't know, but Windows already offered "a long time ago - which is actually an accurate term in the IT world :)" to increase performance using a USB drive. So I ask, won't it be possible to use those four super ports to get to a larger capacity of "RAM" right in the office - where the computer can be powered from the mains? When it is possible to connect an external graphics card..
The new MacBooks are simply a weakness in every way.
Overall, Cook has gradually dismantled the entire apple offering. From one phone in a few colors and capacities, there are already 3 phones (7, 7 Plus, SE) in several capacities and a lot of colors. There are already three iPads (Mini, Air, Pro), the 12″ MacBook absolutely does not fit into the marking of computers and it just confuses. Pros are not Pros... It's all kind of going to hell, unfortunately. And ordinary people don't have a chance to know about it.
If it were up to me, I'd redo just one iPhone (say 5″ almost bezel-less in a body the size of today's iPhone 7), one iPad, leave the two MB series as is. And I would make devices that are simply uncompromisingly the best for the majority, like Jobs did. And I definitely wouldn't do devices you can't even connect to each other (the new MBP and anything else apple, including the iPhone 7). It still works. But it doesn't happen anymore.
Maybe you should refresh your memory with those "apple offers" in the past. Under Jobs, there used to be more Macbooks (mb, mb air, mb pro, mp pro alu) I don't even know if there were ever only 2 types of MB :)
There was MB 13″ and MBP 15″ – 17″ at one time I think. You should probably google it.
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They are already unibody, that is very new ;-)
Be careful with that Google... So that it doesn't happen to them again... :D :D :D
I don't dispute that. But in their heyday, they only had two model lines... Air and Pro... At least between 2009 and 2015. They actually simplified everything. Jobs wanted one phone size, one iPad size... He went in the direction of simplifying the menu.
Cook, on the other hand, complicates it and gradually turns it into a Samsung with a million different models, illogical names, etc.
I can't help it, it just doesn't seem like a sensible approach. Over time, many other companies started doing this (Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Siemens, Motorola...) and we know how they turned out...
Apple currently has only 2 models: Macbook and Macbook Pro. There is no new iron. If you also count the old Air that is being sold or the old PRO, you should look at how many Macbooks were sold in the years you wrote :)
Agreement. It looks like Apple is about to repeat its historic mistake with an ill-conceived and pointlessly numerous series of unrelated products. Unfortunately, there is no more Steve Jobs on the horizon to get them out of this… :(
So, for example, your 5″ iPhone without a frame would not appeal to me. I consider a bezel-less mobile phone to be impractical nonsense for wannabe techies. The problem is that today everyone who has to p.... hole feels like he knows what Jobs would or wouldn't do. It's quite comical to watch those overgrown egos :) Moreover, you obviously don't even know much about what Jobs did during his existence as a supercar with products.
Macbook Pro just had a fancy name. It has never been for professionals. Now the RAM size is being addressed here, but does it not have a sufficiently powerful graphics card, does it not have calibrated frames, does it not have Xenon processors, in other words, what kind of professional computer? Promoting the Touch bar as some kind of bomb is wrong. The list doesn't solve anything. The touch screen is the future and time will show that Apple has really messed up here, but then when you find out it will be too late. It has always been a computer for metrosexuals, hipsters and hairdressers, and this 2016 model fulfills it to the letter.
So those hordes of photographers, djs, developers and others aren't professionals? Don't they make a living at MBP from their profession? Does every professional need Xeons and dedicated graphics? And the future and professionalism is in inches of the display? But there you go, brepto, meaning "calibrated frame" (whatever that spawn means).
Okay, I expressed myself badly. This is ECC RAM. And for me, some DJ is not a professional that I would put on the level of an Autocadist. I don't know that there is a school for DJs. A person working with Autocad must have knowledge and must control the program in question. This field is taught at VS and you must have tests!! The fact that some photographers get carried away by the fact that a Macbook is suitable for viewing their photos is an individual matter. Or am I wrong? Many photographers do not use Apple products. Also, the Mac no longer dominates music studios. Those times are long gone.
So I guess I'm starting to understand. A professional is someone who falls into your recognized fields. I threw the DJs in there a little bit on purpose, because it is clear to me that a lot of people will despise it, but you just have to think and you can put any musician there. A successful DJ must be knowledgeable, just like a person who "draws lines in Autocad" (to borrow your scorn).
For me, a professional is someone who understands the field they work in, makes a living from it, and successfully. The fact that someone passes school, takes some exams and gets a paper doesn't make anyone a professional (by the way, I'm a university graduate myself so it doesn't look like I'm somehow prejudiced against university students).
Your view of what dominates or not is obviously limited to the local environment, but here the Mac never had dominance in anything. Just look beyond the big puddle and everything is different.
a friend plays from an old white macbook, others play from an air and quite a few of them are dropped on a new macbook because it won't get clogged with dust. DJs don't need such a stunning performance.
No offense, but me being a metrosexual, a hipster, or a hairdresser, it amused me quite a bit.
The only thing is, let's see what the touchbar is, I don't think it's a bomb, on the other hand I'm probably an enemy of the "touch screen", because having to constantly protect the monitor from your fingers and cleaning it... Nothing for me :-) On the other hand, really only one thing I would use the touchbar for, even if it's meant as a joke.
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Mr. Sourek, I did not mean you in this case. But what I wrote above applies. Apple presents itself in the film industry. There was a time when there was an apple in every American movie where a computer flashed. Those times are over. Apple's policy of hiring those prices is such that they will really push out useless users before long. And I don't have the feeling that he listens to the wishes of professionals. Apple is making an ass out of them…
I didn't take it personally, I was just amused and that's how I reacted. I recognize that if we were to communicate in person, it would be about something different than in writing.
Anyway, the reverse is also true, only now I understand what you are trying to say and I have to agree.
I'm glad that was explained. As you said, the written form is not perfect and many times the written text is understood completely differently than the author intended. Nice day.
The problem with this test is that it is pointless and does not test long-term stress. It is irrelevant to open tons of applications and wait for the memory to start overflowing, no one works like that. 16 GB is a limitation and someone can lie to me 100 times about how I won't use it. I know very well that if I work on something for X days, put the computer to sleep + plus continuously use other applications, it will simply fill my memory. And if I already have 16 GB today and I'm buying a new non-cheap machine, it's not an upgrade for me, considering some future life and covering the expected increasing demands on memory, it's simply a waste of money. So for now I'm going with the current one until it gets 32 GB of RAM, then I can justify the purchase.
the man is right!
that's right... you have to be able to test yourself too... ;)
Sorry, but fuck Mr. Zdziarski, I'd like to exchange computers with him so he can enjoy the feeling of running out of ram :(.