Ondrej Holzman In recent weeks, on Jablíčkář, we have reviewed several new or updated applications that are in perfect harmony with the new operating system iOS 7 and use all its advantages. Developers often had to dig deep into their code and rewrite applications practically from scratch. This is also why you have to pay for old apps in the App Store. However, some still don't understand why…
He made me write the following treatise tweet from developer Noah Stokes who wrote: “Apps should be $9,99, not $0,99. If you don't agree, try programming one and then come back.”
The whole thing seems a bit absurd to me (not Stokes' theorem), but especially in Czech waters, I encounter the problem that someone has to pay even a few crowns for an application every day. I don't have to go far for an example. It is the newly updated apps for iOS 7 that are often the target of complaints about why we have to pay again for an app that we have already paid for in the past. At the same time, it is enough to think a little and with rational thinking we will come to several reasons why we pay for applications again.
- It may sound like a cliché, but developers really do have to make a living. If you're a full-time developer on the App Store, you can't just release new and new apps out of goodwill and not want a penny for them. Being a developer is a job like any other, and you deserve to be paid for it as well. The better you are, the more you earn.
Such a view of the matter should not be foreign even to users who go to the App Store (they should go) practically like any other store, whether brick-and-mortar or online. Has it ever happened to you that your favorite manufacturer released a new line of fragrances and you got one for free because you had previously bought an "older edition" from them? - We can continue with the perfume parallel. The new edition usually brings not only a different label and shape of the bottle, but also its composition and fragrance. Even the updated apps for iOS 7 don't just bring a new "flat" icon and a color fusion of the top bar with the app itself, but developers often reach into the very composition of the app to bring users the best possible experience in the new operating system. Some apps may seem almost identical, but nothing may be as it seems. The user can't see it, but he can feel it, and believe me, if the developers hadn't rewritten the entire code many times, they wouldn't be nearly as successful. And you are so happy.
Although they rewrite the code of an existing application, they practically write a new application. And there is no reason why they cannot ask for a reward for such work. You never get anything for free in life, so why should it be like that in the App Store. - In addition, the App Store is still a very favorable store in terms of pricing policy. The vast majority of applications cost a single euro (if we don't count free applications), which is completely disproportionate in terms of performance and utility. You need to realize that for 20, 50 or even 100 crowns you buy a product that you can use day after day for weeks, months and years (I am not taking into account various subscriptions, etc.).
For a one-time (and usually minimal) fee, you get an application that makes your life easier, helps you at work or saves time every day. Do you really stop using such an application when you have to pay for it again after two years so that it can serve you twenty-four hours a day for the next two years? - In addition, you don't have to look at the amount for apps just as a price for a certain product, but as a form of remuneration for developers. In addition to ratings in the App Store and possible articles on various servers, it is the earnings for developers that prove whether their work is good or not. If you are satisfied with an application and you see that the developer is constantly taking care of you as a user, you can more or less thank them with another payment.
It's the same as going to a coffee shop that is more expensive than the one next door, but they have much better coffee, which is what matters to you. In the App Store, you can also usually find a cheaper alternative for various applications, but what do you have to sacrifice for a few crowns? - The last point is completely prosaic. Lamenting about an application for a few dollars, when you had to put several thousand crowns on the table for your iPhone or iPad, I find it simply laughable.
In short and well, no one is forcing you to pay for new or updated applications. If you don't want to pay a few tens of crowns, then don't buy the application, don't use it, but above all, don't complain that those greedy developers want money from you again. The fault is definitely not on their side and that they demand a reward for their quality work? A job well done compliment from your boss won't pay your rent either.
Nicely written, I can't help but agree, although it's sad, but it's the way it is...
Beautifully and aptly written. Unfortunately, the socialist "everything for everyone" is still rooted in the Czech and Slovak waters. As Zdeněk Polreich says, and I fully agree with him, the Czechs would like everything immediately, preferably for free, and that seems expensive to them.
Unfortunately, it will take a few more decades in the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic for people to get used to the fact that everyone has the right to be rewarded for their work and that no businessman is a humanitarian worker who lives on bread and water just so that others can benefit from him.
After all - if I buy a car, I won't get its newer version for free either :D
or I won't get donho gasoline for free because I have a jail or an apk downloaded on Android :D
I will sell my old car and buy a new one. But I won't sell the old application, it's totally useless to me...
This is not about getting used to it, but about the fact that it will take a long time until the economy will be different, the state and the general part of businessmen will not rob citizens and people will have different expectations. Then no one will solve it.
Seriously, this isn't about income, nor is it about getting ripped off. A person who pays for a product from Apple has no problem with income. And it's not just about Apple, but applications in general are nothing that would rip a person off financially more than buying a newspaper or a pack of cigarettes.
If you allow me to go back to IOS6, I'd like to keep my old applications, but if I'm forced to be on IO7 without the possibility of going back, I see it differently and I don't like paying. If, during the transition to IOS7, there was information that it is connected with the purchase of version 7 and that there is no possibility of a return, then OK and we pay people.
And who forced you to update? And where does the developer promise upon purchase that his app will be compatible with each new system? And what do you want to do when you buy an app and the developer stops working on it? Are you going to sue him? You have purchased the app and it should be functional after purchase, if not you may want a refund.
what are you doing? I bought a phone with IOS6 and I can't have it there because I tried 7??! you install new discs on your car for free and then you decide to return the tires because they were simply better and you find out that they don't fit you, you probably won't like it. this applies to every product. and when installing new disks, no one will tell you that you can never put the old ones back there and you have to pay extra for a million little things.
If someone tells you in advance that you can't put the discs back on because the hubs will be changed for the new ones and you have a different spacing, will you also complain? Do you know that iOS devices cannot be downgraded? Have you wanted to try iOS7? Well, why not, but why are you dragging the developer of some app he made for iOS6 into this? It is his right to behave as he wants (if he keeps what he promised), i.e., make a paid upgrade, make a new version, do nothing, make a free update, or go install discs on cars.
ok, it's just software. the iOS thing :D so the comparison with the disks is not quite right, you write as if some change had to be made on the device, but no one had to resolder a part to be able to load the 7... :D a few taps on the display were enough. the fact that you can't go back from 5 to 6 is just rubbish :-/
The change is not always a question of HW intervention. You had to confirm the update, you confirmed the conditions of the update. Those taps are the very thing that can protect you from the "doom" called iOS7 ;) Be that as it may, it's inappropriate to shift the blame and make any demands on third-party application developers.
Exactly, great article.
Well written article. :O( If a developer writes a new app, he should get a reward for it, if he updates it due to the functionality of the app in the new system, then it's just to keep the app that I purchased functional. The policy of how the App Store works is clear from the beginning. How for users so for developers!
Is there an app that worked in iOS 6 and suddenly stopped working in iOS 7?
It's like Airplayit :(
Maybe it's malfunctioning. Then, even if Apple gave me the system for free, as a result, I will pay a higher price for its usability in the form of an application update. Because without them, iOS sucks.
And does a developer guarantee that the application will work on a newer system? Or does someone force you to always have the latest version of the system or application? Is the developer obligated to update because the system is on a newer version?
What is the point of this article? If someone's work doesn't support them, let them do something else, but for God's sake don't try to convince me that I should pay them more for their product. Pricing is not about the developer "crying" that his apps are too cheap and time-consuming. The second thing is what someone already mentioned here. I don't think it's fair if I'm forced to upgrade my system in order to fully use my device, and then I have to pay for new updates even for previously purchased third-party apps. However, the developers have the right to do so. However, it remains my right to choose another platform. So the one who will lose the most from this approach will be the developer/manufacturer himself.
No one is forcing you to stay on the iOS platform if you don't like paying 0.99 euros for an app update. But in the end, you'll be the one to lose. If you are willing to put down the device for 15 CZK because you are not willing to pay a ridiculous amount for an update, then fine. Not only will the device suddenly be of no use to you, but you will have to buy a new device on a different platform and with that you will also lose the other purchased applications for X euro from the original device. So I think that 000 euros per update is a symbolic price. My God, it's 0,99, in words, twenty-five crowns. You are buying much more expensive and useless crap.
You're right, no one is forcing me and that's why I'm asking what is the point of this article, which basically calls for acceptance according to my unfair behavior? I don't care if 20 CZK is too much or too little, but from the tone in which the author wrote the article, it seems to me that people who are not willing to accept additional costs for an already purchased application are perhaps some idiots who do not understand the bad situation of developers and therefore should not complain. So this article on my otherwise favorite server bothers me. I can assure you that I'm not in such a bad situation that I can't give these ridiculous amounts for anything, but any kind of pressure definitely bothers me and may actually be a reason for me to throw away the investment I've already made and start elsewhere. And since I work in a trading company, I know that a long-term satisfied customer is much more beneficial and profitable than a one-time deal with a subsequently dissatisfied client. That's my opinion.
But a long-term satisfied customer does not necessarily mean that the application will be available for free for life. Just look at Tweetbot, Fantastical and more.
25 kc for 1, in words, one application. If there are 100 applications, then it will be 2500 kc, in other words, two thousand crowns.
I agree with Def. It's not about the crowns, it's about the fact that, in principle, it's blackmail. A good trader can make a living without it. Regarding these theses: 1. When paying for a roll or a car, the developer is also not interested in whether the baker or the car company has something to live on. 2. I subscribe to updates with the app if I want to (and am happy to) pay again, let it be for a new app with new features, not some mysterious internal improvement. 3. Prices are low due to a large market and strong competition, not the merit of specific developers. 4. The satisfaction bonus can be in the form of an in-app purchase. 5. As accessory manufacturers: you have an iPhone, so open your wallet.
That's like saying you don't think it's fair that you have to buy a new computer/tablet/phone because it can't handle a new version of the operating system. Will you also be clamoring for free updates to your device? And I don't accept the argument that software is not hardware, hardware does have the price of physical components, but in both cases there is a price for product development.
An article about nothing. You can't compare the exterior and the SW, it's a completely different estate. This is the same nonsense as calculating how much developers have made by downloading SW for black money. And with SW, it is normal to provide updates for some time.
You answered yourself. "Provide updates for some time."
So like two days when I bought it two days ago :)
Now I don't quite get it, but "ensure updates for some time" doesn't mean since some user bought it, but since the developer released it. I mean, that's what I thought.
Normal probably yes, but it is not an obligation, unless the developer commits to it. I think it's often in the terms that the SW is in the state it is in, there's some kind of grace period for reporting defects and such. But there is also the question of what kind of SW it is. It's one thing to have a single-purpose app that just does what it's supposed to, and another thing is a more demanding app that has a longer life cycle.
A better example is a guarantee. It's as if people expect every product to have a lifetime warranty instead of the legally mandated two years. The developer gives you the same guarantee. A guarantee that it will continue to develop the application and fix bugs, but even this guarantee is limited.
I generally agree, only point 5 does not make economic sense. The money you save on buying apps can be invested in a new iPhone or iPad. And that it's not usually small money.
So a new iPad/iPhone for a penny yes (although it may not bring anything essential), but the new version of the app must be free?
I spent a little over CZK 6500 on iPhone and iPad apps :-) and I'm not crying either :-) if an update is paid for and I want it, I'll give the money for it... it's the same as Djay 1 and Djay 2 :-) when after some time they did a complete redesign of the application.
Personally, I don't think that developers should put the same but redesigned apps in the store again at a new price... After all, someone could have bought it 2 days before the release of such a paid update and will be cursing for a long time... If the programmer should take it from us again some amount for the application, so he should completely redesign it and add new functions, but update the functionality of older versions so that those who do not want to pay for the newer version can still use them.
And then I'm also worried about the fragmentation of the ipad and iphone applications... so make the application 2 euros more expensive and make it universal... on the list of applications that sync with the cloud, but have both an iphone and an ipad version, it doesn't work...
I basically agree, however, there are many developers who always have the same application and will give it a new version on ios7 (i.e. as part of the appstore update for free) and there are those (e.g. IM+) who modify the appearance, they do not add much functionally - they add to the name 2-3 letters and they pass it off as a new paid application and the original one is still on the appstore. I agree that developers have to make a living, but they also don't have to make fools of us users (if the app costs, let's say, 7€, then redesigning it for ios7 then costs 5€ - this is a guide for customers who bought the original app e.g. 1-2 month is not fair - after all, even before the release of a new version of office, MS gives a coupon for the next one for free - so with IM+ I would expect, for example, €7 new user, €2 upgrade).
I'm not one of those who have a problem paying €5 (you leave more for a beer in a pub) for an app - I also buy apps over €30, but I also expect something other than a figuratively speaking flat icon for my money.
if I'm going to quote the author of the article with an addition... in short, well, no one is forcing me to buy a new application, but I still have the right to say that I just don't like it with some.
The last point sums it up exactly. Ondřej, you could have omitted the four points before.
So, in my opinion, the fact that someone has to completely redo the entire application because of the graphics is nonsense, or they wrote it completely stupid.
Otherwise, I understand that the application costs 10 Euros and that after rescanning they will need to be updated for 1 Euro. Alternatively, if the application still works, it should be up to the user if they are interested in the new GUI at all ;-). It's hard to force someone who bought an application for XX Euro and in a week when a new one (nasty iOS) comes out, to pay XX Euro again.
I understand the protection period of 1-2 years for functional updates, rescanning can be done in the form of an inapp for money (but optional).
The fact that some program author writes that the application should cost 9,99 and not 0,99 is probably his problem. You can choose the price as you wish. When I saw the most expensive XCOM game for 17 euros, it was among the best-selling applications. In other words, for everyone, the application has a reasonable price for which to buy it, if it's that good, they can put a price on it. Nobody cares if he programmed it for 1 minute or 50 years. There is simply some result and the person freely decides whether to buy or not to buy.
Otherwise, an example from life (negative):
I bought "BUZZ Player HD" without any action (at that time) for less than 4 Euros.
After 3 months, a "new" version of "BUZZ Player HD" was released, which could do the same thing, only costing 0,89 Euro in the first week. The next updates are only for "BUZZ Player HD." So I wasted 4 Euros and didn't have support for the player for 3 months and after that time I want more money? Today already 3,59 Euro! Sorry, that's a nice scam for me and if I didn't have the application downloaded on my iPad or PC, I couldn't download it from the store at all!
Yuck!!! Terrible example of how the developer is clueless and I will never buy anything from them again!!!!
Example from life (positive):
On the contrary, I bought the game Galaxy Of fire 2. I finished it and after a few months the inapp arrived with a new adventure (something like Datadisk).
I dug in (voluntarily) and enjoyed the next adventure. No one forced me to do it and the old game still worked and the council had full support. That's what I call honest business!!
amen ... some of the developers are really terrible ... for example battery remaining on the Mac store is probably updated every month and always with a new version for 0.89 euro ... so why am I buying it ...
in Macappstor the prices are really good.
Just one info.
Updates to x64 processor and new iOS should be paid by Apple! He's the one who forces users to switch (even if they don't want to) and new devices are so expensive that he could let something go into development (this is doubly true for x64).
That's bullshit, the 64 bit A7 (intel's x64 architecture has nothing to do with it) is backwards compatible with 32 bit apps, so it's a feature they may or may not use. It depends purely on them, and those developers who adapt will be subsequently appreciated by users, as their app will be better and faster.
So look at the articles that everything crashes 64x more often on new x5 processors ;-).
Example from life (negative):
I bought "BUZZ Player HD" without any action (at that time) for less than 4 Euros.
After 3 months, a "new" version of "BUZZ Player HD" was released, which could do the same thing, only costing 0,89 Euro in the first week. The next updates are only for "BUZZ Player HD." So I wasted 4 Euros and didn't have support for the player for 3 months and after that time I want more money? Today already 3,59 Euro! Sorry, that's a nice scam for me and if I didn't have the application downloaded on my iPad or PC, I couldn't download it from the store at all!
Yuck!!! Terrible example of how the developer is clueless and I will never buy anything from them again!!!!
Example from life (positive):
On the contrary, I bought the game Galaxy Of fire 2. I finished it and after a few months the inapp arrived with a new adventure (something like Datadisk).
I bought (voluntarily) and enjoyed the next adventure. No one forced me to do it and the old game still worked and the council had full support. That's what I call honest business!!
You forgot one important thing - as the number of iOS users grows, the number of potential new customers will increase for the developer - i.e. he sells the application further, which makes him enough money to live on. I consider it a form of theft to ask for money cautiously from loyal customers.
When this money is not enough for him, he should develop and start selling another application, which will open up a new potential market of 700 million customers.
Nobody forgot that ;-).
That's why games are generally cheaper over time = because you're already making money for a new application.
Otherwise, we are going round and round about the fact that a couple of developers are not able to make a living. I just know how to make and sell something and that's how I do it. I can't give, sell, or both, so I don't do it.
Sometimes it can be a pity…..On the other hand, instead of making up crap, he should go to a startup and present the idea to people to pay him upfront, and if people are interested, he can work without the risk that no one will pay him.
I don't want to say that the programmer has it easy, but on the other hand, nobody is forcing him to go down with the price.
Then the question is whether he will be paid from the sale of 10x programs for 10 Euros, or 10000x programs for 1 Euro ;-).
As far as iphonists are concerned, I hope you don't want to tell me that when you buy a phone for €700, you don't have an application for 89 cents. How do you want to demand quality apps on the one hand and not want to pay ridiculous amounts for them on the other hand? You need to think first of all about yourself and only then about the developer who wants to "extort" you for a few cents for his app, which he developed for months. In 4 years, I spent €250 on the app store, which is €5 a month for equipment on my phone that helps me and makes my life easier. Over time, you will learn to recognize high-quality from low-quality applications, and many of them have a model where the application is free and you pay for premium functions, or another model where there is a free, stripped-down version of the application for trial and full of complete functions. As for the price itself, there are many high-quality applications that cost 89 cents and surpass even their more expensive alternatives. However, most will still find that they use the same equipment for the application over and over and only try and buy something new from time to time...
Or go to Android, according to most people, everything is free there and the developers there probably program apps in addition to other work.
... and it mostly looks like that :) (so I don't want to categorize, but either there are ads or the app is not worth much)
I have nothing against big paid updates to "working" apps once in a while, but comparing the price of the device to the price of the app is out of place. You fill up a car worth twenty thousand or maybe a million at the exact same price per liter, so why compare? Sometimes the price of the fuel in the tank is insignificant compared to the price of the car, sometimes it is even a fifth of the value of the whole car, what can you do?
If you have a more expensive and therefore more powerful car, it is assumed that the 20 liters of petrol per 100 kilometers does not bother you... Or otherwise, if you afford an expensive car and then your eyes roll in the service, it is your problem. And another thing…. you forget that it is not only the hardware but the software that makes the phone usable for you. And as far as paying for app updates is concerned, surely everyone would rather have them for free, and most updates for most apps are really free. Not to mention the speculators from AIr Video and their HD version for iPhone. The user usually does not pay for the update and they come out really free, which is great. However, with a big update such as the ios7 redesign, it can be understood that it has to be rewritten from the ground up... However, we must not forget, no one is forcing anyone to buy any update or any application.
As for iphonists, the fact that someone buys an expensive phone does not mean that they will buy one application 5 times. When I'm hungry and 1 roll is enough for me, I buy one roll and not that when I eat it I buy another and not eat it.
And the fact that the app costs €0,89 does not mean that the programmer gives it away for free - if it's good, it will easily earn €1 million
Anyway, I enjoy how someone here (apparently has a competing platform) claims that if I have an "expensive" phone like a fool, I can spend even a stupid €0,89 for possibly nothing. It's mostly because if I have such an expensive phone, I'm probably not that stupid to earn money for it. And because I'm not stupid, I won't buy the same app twice even if it costs even less than the approx. 25 CZK in conversion ;)
I don't have a competing platform, I use an iPhone 5. You write how smart you are to have made money on it and you can't make money on a few updates ;-) don't update, you'll get it for free... Today everyone wants everything for free, but quality really usually costs something...
You obviously don't understand what I'm writing: ... And since I'm not stupid, I won't buy the same app twice....
For those who do not understand - I will gladly pay for a new functionality, a new thing, if I recognize that it is worth it - not for changing the icon - I have the money because I will pay for something that is not worth it!
Once again, especially for you: I'll earn a few updates, but I'm not throwing money out the window :)
I don't have a problem with paying for apps, but I'm fed up with the pissing off of some developers. (e.g. the Air Video application, which I downloaded for a few euros because it could stream videos from a PC via Wi-Fi, and what's more, they could be played in HD quality... BUT, after a while they created a new version called Air Video HD, an update was released for the old Air Video, where HD support was removed). Anyway, I bought it again because it's great and one of the few that actually works, but I don't think this is done.
I left around 2k in the Apple iTunes Store (iOS + OS X + iTunes /about two songs and one album/ + 17,5x iTunes Match + now the iBook Store is added to it) since December 2011 and I don't regret almost a single crown.
I don't mind if you need to pay for the app for the new version. I'm happy to pay because I like using the app. And if not, then I guess I don't need her, do I? :-)
But what bothers me is that the update is free, but you have to wait a long time for it, so I don't like using the application at that time, because it simply doesn't fit very well in terms of design or functionality (Things, MoneyWiz, iStudiez Pro, Day One). They promised to release iOS 7 design version for free. But when? IOS 7 has been around since June 2013 and don't tell me they couldn't have done it sooner. Many can (Reeder 2) and they don't? I'd rather pay to have it "instantly" than have it for free and wait months for it because apparently not enough people are working on it..?
+1
There is one major issue that hasn't been mentioned yet, and that is that the current AppStore (both iOS and OS X) doesn't have an app upgrade model. The developer does not have the option to offer a new version of his application to existing customers in the form of an upgrade (i.e. at a discounted price). So the developer is forced to release an extra new app when they want to release an upgrade. Really fair developers try to at least comment on it with a lower starting price immediately after the release of the new version, but over time the application will of course jump towards its usual price as for the previous one. I'm sad that after so many years, Apple still hasn't gotten their App Store to offer a form of upgrade, even though it's been talked about for so long :(
I believe that the developer can give you a Reedem code or Coupon code or whatever it's called at a discounted price and that will arrange for you to have an upgrade cheaper than a new purchase. It was like he asked for your appstore account email and generated a coupon for you.
I personally experienced it as functional when switching from one application that was not previously in the appstore to the appstore version.
But I don't know how administratively demanding it is for developers.
Thomas b.
for one application, the developer can only issue 100 redeem codes, so there is no way to go there
Some developers solve this by specifying the exact dates in the update of the old app when the new app can be purchased at a discounted price... however, this solution is obviously not optimal either.
Of course, I understand the whole issue, but not all developers have a clear enough conscience that I can apply this article to everyone. For eg: I bought a desktop sharing app for about 20 dollars, it was buggy, rarely ever worked, but somehow I got through it. In the course of about half a year, this premium app became an app for $0.99, I think it's fine, at least there will be more pressure from the community on the developers to remove the problems with WPA and WPA2 encryption on wifi networks. Unfortunately, none of this happened, the app is still crashed, kept losing sync with Mac vs iPad. An update was announced and I thought my suffering was over…. After installing the update, my app was upgraded to lite version for $20 and I was prompted to buy the full version again. In my opinion, $20 for one app is a premium price and as a customer I expected to get the product that I wanted for my money will make work easier. Unfortunately, instead of an update fix and a thank you that I was one of the few crazy people who was willing to pay full price for a broken app, they wanted me to buy the app again for almost half the price without any guarantee that they fixed the mistakes they made?. Just like developers, consumers are entitled to outcry…
I wonder if the application costs, for example, 1 USD, how much of this amount goes to the developer and how much to Apple
Developer 70%, Apple 30% :) It's pretty fair…
I expected a worse ratio, thanks for the info
Someone is forgetting about taxes here. :)
Likewise for several hundred million potential buyers. It's just that someone goes the way of expensive applications and a few units sold, someone goes the cheap way and sales in the millions. I think it is obvious which philosophy is successful. The latter is behind Apple's success. That's why I ran away from using Windows Mobile earlier. Some crap for 20-30 USD and the resulting meat warez.
however, both sides apply
This ratio only applies to the USA, in Europe it is worse, about 60% for developers.
I feel like 30% goes to Apple
I enjoyed the article even though I don't agree with it at all, thanks! The vast majority of apps cannot be tested or touched in advance (unlike the perfume. Huh, why perfume?). It usually turns out that I "have" to buy more apps and choose the one that suits me best based on usage. Apps are usually full of bugs that are resolved after sales. Not all apps cost 25 CZK. Upgrading the system brings mess and incompatibility to most applications - the authors can hardly be blamed for that. Of course, authors are not obliged to issue updates, but if they want someone to buy something from them again and recommend it to others, it should be a matter of course. I would guess that somewhere in the 100 pages of the contract with the AppStore is that the upgrade will be free. Take the example of Angry Birds, they are completely fair. Comparing the price of an iPad with the price of an app is (smiling) bullshit, just like the length of use. Which awesome app is Noah Stokes behind?
"Of course, authors are not obliged to issue updates, but if they want someone to buy something from them again and recommend it to others, it should be a matter of course."
How then to explain the success of applications such as Tweetbot or Fantastical, which users buy again en masse and recommend to friends?
"I would guess that somewhere in the 100 pages of the contract with the AppStore is that the upgrade will be free."
Everyone can guess. Have you read them?
"Which awesome app is that Noah Stokes behind?"
Which awesome app are you behind?
The stupidest argument is to turn everything around. So those two really stupid sentences. That's how those who can talk "argue". Stupid article, even more stupid arguments.
It doesn't even feel like turning to me. In the first case, I refute the author's claim that it should be a matter of course that updates come out for free, because only then will users buy something from the developer and continue to recommend it. The mentioned examples clearly show that it works even if the developer releases the "same" app and gets paid for it again.
In the second case, I would first turn to Martin Topinka with stupid arguments. Because he guesses what might be in a 100-page document, that's a truly magnificent argument.
And it seems to me that he mentions Noah Stokes at the end just to support his arguments in some way, even though it's not about that person's tweet at all.
I would love to hear your opinion.
After all, the opinion is completely clear - don't answer a question with a question.
This is only suitable for our parliament.
Otherwise, I personally have no problem with paying (with the exception of when there are no new updates, etc.)
So once again: don't answer a question with a question.
If you were only referring to that last part, I take it. There it was more like a jab, because the original question was quite misguided.
0) Having a different opinion than the author is probably not completely acceptable. 1) Like you, I don't make a living writing iOS apps. I mistakenly inferred from the article that Noah was gloating over the babbling of his customers. 2) I guessed based on the fact that all updates in the AppStore were free. 3) Fantastical benefits from the fact that Apple's calendar inexplicably cannot parse a simple sentence and create an event from it, even though Mail has been able to do this for a long time. And I decided not to buy Fantastical a second time. 4) The user doesn't need to care if the author rewrote the entire code or changed one number determining the background color, the user cares if what he bought works to his satisfaction. The user will pay x times for relatively the same thing, when the app really pulls the thorn out of his heel. 5) My post was (among other things) about the fact that screwing up the app by upgrading the system and thus requiring re-purchase doesn't seem fair to me.
1) I don't write apps for iOS, maybe that's why I admire developers more.
2) Ah, did you mean the update to iOS 7? It is then free, I meant updates of individual applications.
3) Not only Fantastical benefits, but all calendar apps. However, they also move quite high in the rankings. And Apple's calendar doesn't lose just because it can't parse.
4) Yes, I agree here.
5) I don't know, but in my opinion, so many applications that worked on iOS 6 and don't work in iOS 7 don't appear, but I could be wrong. Fortunately, I have a good experience. However, the developer is often not to blame for the fact that Apple simply revolutionized its system. Although I think Apple is trying to make the transitions as painless as possible.
2) I meant update the application in the AppStore. It's just free. When a programmer wants to take something away from an upgrade, he must either add practically the same application with a different name, or disguise it as a payment directly from the application - which will probably have some rules of its own, because otherwise this is how authors would have handled upgrades for existing users a long time ago. (Again, just guessing. Correct me if I'm wrong)
Aaa, we finally understand :) Apple doesn't really allow charging for updates, that's why brand new apps appear, yes.
the best is when someone releases a cut-down version of the app for free and sells a more extended one for money. You can get a good feel for it and then swing to buy.
I've read about this model and it seems to make developers much less than having a paid app. Many people are satisfied with the cut down version or the version with ads.
You know, the very best is just the PAID version, which you MUST buy. But you can return it within a few hours. Apple hasn't figured it out yet.
But where. Just write to Apple and they will refund the money.
I totally get it and understand how insanely complex it is to program a good app. And the prices in the appstore are really perfect. I have had the example with TweetBot for a long time, and now after the update and adaptation to iOS7 it is time to buy it again. But the old one still works, so it's up to me to decide if I use it every day 100% and was satisfied with the previous one (as it was very) and will buy it again, or if I don't use it that much anymore and the older version will suffice. I always say that Apple made me a better person and taught me to pay for digital things and not to take for granted that everything is free and stealing is a matter of course in our small country. And I'm glad for that
The perfume example didn't come in handy. I'll try an example with an iPad. Its price simply consists of the price of materials, energy and the like, costs of sales channels (including advertising), human labor during production and, of course, development costs. If I stick to the stereotypical logic, where a developer does not deserve an extra penny when developing a new version of the same product, it follows that I would be entitled to a cheaper iPad Air (I already paid for the development once, and no one will lie to me that they developed something completely new).
Well, it doesn't matter to me if I use the given application and it suits me and I'm satisfied, so why not support the developers, they also need something to live on, so I used IM+Pro for years and now the update to IM+7Pro came out, which was already paid for and I easily paid for it, why not This is about people supporting the developers and I expect the same from the Whatsapp application that comes in the new paid update, at least I think it will be paid and I will also support them, they saved me a lot of money for SMS and MMS so why not :-) it's like when I go to work and I won't tell my employer that if he pays me after a month that I will work for him for free because he already paid me in one month, so as far as I'm concerned, I have no problem contributing to the developer for an application that I'm satisfied with :-)
In your case, I would mainly pay for an automatic punctuation mark and a super duper spell-checker, this can't be cleaned :D
I can write it to you in English or French if you want it to be better understood
I will also add my opinion, I work as a web developer, and when we sell a finished app, the client buys it as it is, i.e. if it needs an update in the future (due to malfunctions in new versions of the browser), then it still has to pay a certain amount for the update. I don't see anything unfair about it, it's just that development costs something. If the client does not accept this, he can order a service license with the purchase of the app for as long as he deems appropriate and he does not have to worry about the functionality. It is at the discretion of everyone who buys something. It is impossible to guarantee for the "normal" price of a one-time purchase updates for all other versions of the system for which I program and develop, when I don't even know what those updates will entail
I didn't ask anyone to update the system (in addition to the worse), so I don't understand it, to pay for the app that I had bought again. iOS 7 will be available in a while, and enough applications will be purchased. And by the way, what was wrong with iOS 8? Nothing, but it was supported by older devices and no one wanted that. Give me the opportunity to use the app I paid for without an update and I have no objections.
So, if I bought a certain application a few years ago, I use it all the time, all the time the authors continuously catch bugs and add new functions, and now with the arrival of iOS7 they want to pay for the new version, I have no problem with that at all. But I can understand that someone who bought the app only a month ago and now finds out he has to pay again is quite upset.
Btw: The purchased Geekbench2 application has been downloaded from the AppStore and replaced by the triple version. I don't have a backup of the app, so I lost it and you're defending it? Thanks, now I can migrate to another platform because the mess is everywhere and it doesn't matter what OS I use...
If you have purchased GB2, download from Purchased in the AppStore. I have already found several downloaded apps.
I more or less agree with the direction of the article, but when Mr. "internet addict" Holzman talks about applications for a few dollars and the connection with the price of Apple products, at which, according to him, "he has to smile", my hand clenches involuntarily. I was perfectly fine with the previous version of iOS, and I didn't ask anyone to update to the worse version on iOS7, as someone commented here - for a person who has bought the application for 14 days or a month, the need for a paid update is quite a reason to suck. Unfortunately, I haven't come across any developers who have somehow addressed this time discrepancy. I don't know what applications you use on your devices, but the ones that would cost me 0,99 USD/Euro are very modest, the more expensive ones are far more, and it must be noted that even if I don't have deep pockets, the fact that I will have to buy again willy-nilly don't like it at all.
Don't be angry with me, but some of your reactions and arguments to the comments of local readers are quite weak (I wanted to write stupid, but I think that the purpose of my comment is not to offend anyone)
Your sentence "Lamenting about an application for a few dollars, when you had to put several thousand crowns on the table for your iPhone or iPad, I find it simply laughable" reminds me of many students of your age who, although they have an "apple", but either do not have another 2 months what the heck, or are their parents paying for their college... Relating the price of the device to the price of updates is complete nonsense, especially in our meadows and groves
He wondered if I should even include the fifth point in the article, however, I meant it a little differently than was probably understood by most. I'm not comparing the price of the device and the price of updates, as you say, it's not even possible. I rather think about it when some people write to us that they have just bought a new iPhone or iPad and how to do the jailbreak, because they won't spend more money on some applications.
And as for iOS 7, you didn't ask anyone for this update, but at the same time, no one forced you to. You could have stayed on iOS 6 and therefore not even bought a lot of the new apps that came out for iOS 7.
And do you have Windows 95? Probably not, huh? Better not drink anything. :D
By that I mean that the transition to 7 is inevitable sooner or later.
Yes it is. And do the applications you bought for Windows 95 work on Windows 7? They don't work. Such is the development in short.
It's true that I don't work, that's why I was forced to upgrade, that speaks against you, even with you
And if ios7 is progress (development) for you, then I have nothing more to write about this. The repair system has been tweaked, and thus the apps must also be tweaked to run on the tweaked system. So the app I paid for is charged to run on my broken system and then again. Win will develop forward. Ios took it down steeply.
That's your subjective view of iOS 7, but we can't take it as some kind of dogma. I won't argue with you here, I understand your opinion, but I don't share it.
But if you stayed on iOS 6, the apps would still work there. No one forced you to switch to iOS 7, and if you stayed on iOS 6, it doesn't mean that all of your apps will suddenly stop working.
I'm an Apple beginner, but it's a forced transition, because without switching to iOS7, I somehow don't synchronize anything, because it's not possible without an update. And without the possibility of synchronization, the iPhone becomes only expensive fun.. Jailbreak is a chapter in itself. Also, it seems to me that you are mixing apples and oranges in your comments, confusing updating existing apps with buying new apps developed for iOS7..
Regardless of the fact that this purchase is actually forced and no one drew attention to it in connection with the new iOS. If someone had let it be known in advance, a few people would have changed their minds. But also installing iOS
Regarding point 5: How is the purchase price of the phone related to the price of the application or accessories? The assumption that if I have a phone for 10 (15, 20...) thousand, it should accept an overpriced cable (or an application, other accessories...) without batting an eye is really on its head.
It has nothing to do with my willingness or unwillingness to pay for apps. Only the logic is simply missing for point 5. It's almost like the insurance agent's argument that five kilos a month for insurance won't kill me. He also failed…
Mom's students see it differently (Mom, can I download this app? It costs ONLY 0.99 euros) Damn it, Mom, if you bought me such an expensive phone, one thing will kill you!!
This seems to make me smile, Mr. Holzman :D
So I have another great example of super peace-loving developers.
Some time ago I bought Aliens vs Predators Evolution and after several updates I wanted to go back to it.
What got me is that suddenly all the side missions are paid even if they were not at the time of purchase.
So super scam!!! Why not hide something that was there and not charge for it!!!
If a person is smart, he will do it like me - he buys one iPhone application for the family and then installs it on ALL iDevices in the family via the password in iTunes.
Paying for SW in the internet age is really a thing of the past. You can't stop evolution - those who can't crack it pay for sw. I was stupid too and bought Vista on DVD. Today it's a matter of a few minutes to download it.¨
Who can - can, who can't - pays.
holzmann is a scumbag who deletes my posts. tripe
Don't you think that the presence (not deleted) of your contribution to the file proves the opposite? :D
Wow, so many people here make up the basis of their false argument. Fun discussion.
Great article, I totally agree. Unfortunately, I meet people every day who spend tens of thousands on Apple devices but then cry over a few dollars for an application.
You know what's the best? These are mostly only Ces. When I read comments on The Verge about updates, I rarely see a mention of the price of the application or excitement. Everyone there grasps one thing - do you want a product? Are they worth the price? If Yes and Yes, then buy it. Otherwise, no. But there's no reason to get hysterical about the price of an app that I won't buy.
I'll give you one example for everyone - OmniFocus 2 for iPhone was recently released. It was released as a new application, meaning people who previously bought OmniFocus 1 (for about $20) had to buy the new version again for $20. But OF2 for the iPhone was completely rewritten from scratch, with a new iOS 7 design, with new functions, etc. And I also didn't see people complaining anywhere (I don't mean the Guilds, they complain about everything) that they have to buy it again. They understood that a small company whose only income is from the price of the application cannot sell the application once and then give free updates until the end of the world. In addition, the majority of OF users use this application, because they return to it several times over time.
Unfortunately, people here are used to paying with their personal data like with Google, where of course you don't "pay" anything directly. But it doesn't work like that - you pay Google about $500 a year with your personal data, did you know?
So I'd rather pay a few bucks to small developers who will need me to pay again once every three years - than naively think that free apps are really "free".
And really, if you buy an iPhone for 17 kc, but don't pay 000 - 20 kc for an application that you will use every day for years, then the file is wrong somewhere else than in the developers ;-)
As for the people upset with the developers, that they can't upgrade the owners of the first version when buying the second - they really can't. Everyone has only dozens of promo codes, and besides, the developer doesn't get any useful information about the people who bought the app - so they CAN'T even favor the owners of the first version, because they don't know who they are. So your anger is really not misplaced ;-)
:D
Ridiculous, I wonder how you can compare pay and "pay"? Well, you're a little off the mark, boy :D
I would totally agree, but just as people in Europe are used to Windows and Office, they are used to downloading everything somewhere and can have PCs for tens of thousands. Then there are people who have a hard time saving up for a computer, but they want it to be able to do everything and not that they will continue to pay. And then there are people who like to buy everything and then are just happy because they pay the developers and they then throw it on Android for free. I learned to buy SW, but I also understand other reasons why not to buy and just download.
Download mean steal?
Of course
If something is free to download, it is not theft according to our law ;) that's why I write download.
Who says that I mean to steal only from the narrow point of view of the law?
Decent people don't need laws to know how to behave and what not to do. They are probably only here because of people like you. If you don't consider downloading cracked versions of Photoshop as theft, then I'm not even sorry that I don't know you personally.
You know what you dude who can't clean and discuss? Get on my back and re-read what I wrote in order before you start bashing someone. I'm not interested in discussing with an ignorant person who insults my person and doesn't know how to clean.