Tomas Chlebek Whereas the MacBooks introduced last week bear the moniker "Pro", many professionals were disappointed by the unavailability of models with more than 16 GB of RAM. One of them even wrote an e-mail to Apple's head of marketing, Phil Schiller, and asked if the impossibility of having 32GB of RAM installed in the new MacBook Pros was due, for example, to the fact that it would not bring significantly higher performance.
Phil Schiller he replied: "Thank you for email. That is a good question. Integrating more than 16GB of RAM into a laptop would currently require a memory system with much higher power consumption, which would not be efficient enough for a laptop. I hope you'll try the new generation of Macbook Pro, it's a really great lineup."
After examining the complete range of processors in the new Apple laptops, it really turns out that offering more than 16GB of RAM would not be very wise at the moment, and indeed not even possible. The currently used Skylake processors from Intel support only LPDDR3, which has a maximum capacity of 16 GB, in the low-power versions.
This problem could theoretically be circumvented by using more energy-intensive processors and larger battery capacities. Programmer Benedict Slaney of course on your blog draws attention to the limit set by the US Department of Transportation (Federal Aviation Administration). It does not allow laptop batteries with a capacity of more than 100 watt hours to be transported on airplanes.
MacBook Pros from 2015 contain batteries with a capacity of 99,5 watt-hours, this year's batteries are at most 76 watt-hours. Even if their battery capacities were pushed close to the limit, it still wouldn't be enough to power-efficiently integrate processors supporting more than 16GB of RAM. Intel plans to support LPDDR3 with higher RAM capacity (or LPDDR4) in laptop processors until the next generation, Kaby Lake, which may not arrive in the MacBook Pro until the end of next year or even later. Intel has not yet prepared quad-core variants of these processors.
So Apple's hands were tied in this regard - on the one hand by Intel, on the other by the US Department of Transportation.
Another problem associated with processors is the inconsistent speed of Thunderbolt 3 connectors. The 13-inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar has four Thunderbolt 3 connectors, but only the two located on the left side of the computer will provide the maximum possible transfer speed. This is because the dual-core processors available for the 13-inch MacBook Pro only have twelve PCI-Express lanes compared to the sixteen lanes in the 15-inch models. With them, all Thunderbolt 3 connectors offer maximum speed.
In connection with these pitfalls, the well-known blogger John Gruber suggests that Apple will go down the path of developing its own computer processors in the future, not possibly, but necessarily. Lack of performance has never been an issue with iOS devices. On the contrary, Apple's mobile processors with ARM architecture regularly beat the competition in benchmarks, and at the same time the extremely thin design of the device does not have to be sacrificed. The new MacBook Pros, on the other hand, arrived late and still don't offer the kind of performance that professional users would like.
And why don't I put a processor in the high-end model? I find it kind of sad...
It is always written in the article, an advisory processor that would support more than 16GB of RAM would mean a much higher energy demand and to achieve optimal endurance would need a much larger battery capacity, where Apple is limited on the one hand by the space in the MacBook body and on the other hand by the US Department of Defense transport (do not allow devices with a battery capacity higher than 100 watt-hours on the plane)
I don't agree. A top model is a top model. We are not talking about some netbooks.
We need the nice machine with 64GB of memory here:
http://m.ebay.com/itm/2016-Lenovo-Thinkpad-P50-Mobile-Workstation-Laptop-Intel-Xeon-E3-1505M-4K-UHD-/272377542970
Those who do not understand do not agree. :-) Then buy it. Apple has tuned hw and software. They don't have that Wokna. Too much hw for them. It's not just what's inside that matters. But how it works together.
You don't understand, Pete. Even such a beautiful laptop can run macOS. It's a shame that Apple doesn't supply HW advice for all SW.
He can somehow run on it. It will be a long way from optimization, the ergonomics of the system on a foreign machine will be ruined. In addition, if you configure it with similar specifications as the MBP (except for the memory), the price is quite similar ... you have to take into account VAT and transport. And that is without guarantee!!! and with the fact that it will definitely not be the case that a processor, graphics and memory with the same number could provide similar performance to the same numbers on the MBP ... moreover, it will be a big heavy waste ... this comparison is rubbish. but if you feel that more stripes will work better, go for it
You probably have no experience with hackintosh. It is not true what you write, but I understand that it is good to think that in order to defend the purchase of an overpriced suboptimal Appli hw.
And I am writing this as a person who has been really looking forward to the new Macbook Pro for a long time, was going to buy it, but the new Macbook Pro at that price and in this configuration is really not...
(I'm writing this post from a laptop with macOS, with a slightly better configuration than the best new Macbook Pro, 32 GB of memory, which cost me about 25 thousand ...) And it's not a lot of money :) Of course, the warranty works.
congratulations on the toy, but the point of things from Apple is for me personally different than what someone can do. It's largely about taking it out of the box and working, not worrying about administration and if only marginally and not deciding how to break things up. My experience with these and similar tools is that the owner can usually break the system (which he likes to present as a wonderful achievement :), but the user experience is not very important. Gestures on non-Apple touchpads are stupid, additional functions of the ecosystem either do not work or are unreliable (airdrop, AirPlay). Problems with the compatibility of some accessories, solutions to whether and what I can update so that the whole thing doesn't… , and so on and on. The days of researching how to set up Linux to run if possible and reading discussions to find out what driver I need are many years behind me and god willing I don't feel like going back to them. Apple gave me something that I have never experienced with either Win or Linux and it continues to do so... Fortunately, today I can already appreciate it and I prefer to devote my time to other things that are more important and fun for me. Otherwise, the note about the warranty and the size was for the machine you referenced...
Mr. JJ, how many Apple laptops do you have? Or how long have you been a user, how many updates have you had?
I read the reviews and I think about every update since Mavrick and iOs6 and I don't have a hackintosh. System slowdowns and increasing update-type errors that ground the phone are also common at Apple, regardless of the "accidental" slowdown of old models, reduction of battery life.
It's one thing to be a fan, but another to be blind - Apple Hw and Sw are not as tuned and awesome as they used to be in the days of selmo cats.
which note do you have exactly?
W541
HW and SW can be tuned as it wants when I need to run Widle in virtual. They need at least 4GB to run smoothly.
In order for them to run smoothly on my work, I prefer 12GB, and that won't be much left for running macOS. If I want to use both systems fully at work, 16GB is the absolute minimum. More like 32GB.
In my opinion, the MBP should not be an average machine, but a really powerful laptop. They shouldn't have messed with thinning and crap like the TouchBar on a primarily work machine. Neutered connectivity is also a mockery.
so read the report carefully. I don't know which laptop with wokna will be faster. It looks tuned to me. From what I read on the forums, someone is always complaining about how Apple let them down. But no one has tried the laptop here. So why so many negations?
He always presented the Apple Pro as something for people who do more demanding work with a computer (music, video, application development, etc.). And at first glance, you can see that something is missing for this focus (you need the RAM). And I don't think anyone should try it. I'm not saying that everything will be slow, but if there are no parameters, even tuning won't help. I had a Mac Mini at home with 8GB of RAM, and when I turn on Xcode, the RAM is basically gone and the Mac is almost unusable. And I didn't even turn on Windows virtualization.
Add to that the price and these two aspects discourage people from buying.
I wonder how much the battery life would actually decrease if that option were there. If it takes two hours, I'd rather appreciate the performance of the Pro than two hours on the battery.
Realistically, even those 2 hours are enough. When I bought it for retina in early 2013 3 years ago, it lasted 7 hours. At low light with open word and chrome. And he really endured. but as soon as the video started, it slowed down for about 5 hours. And for the editing of a video for television from a football match, I think it would take more than 3 hours. And boom 3 hours without 2 ses on 60 minutes of efficient work without a drawer.
So I don't think that the load would affect the consumption so much. So I thought more like 10 – 2, or maybe 3 – 0.5. Which wouldn't be so bad.
Well, if they hadn't made the new Pro thinner and reduced the battery capacity by 27%, they could have given 32GB of RAM. Or should it last approx. 12 hours. I guess the thickness of the Pro Retina didn't bother any of us and doesn't?
consent ;)
I don't want to hate, but somehow it amazes me that no one can think of the misleading price of CZK 6400 for 8 GB of RAM, given that the LPDDR3 chip itself costs $5 per piece when it's cheap. It has an apple BGA made of 24 karat gold???. In addition, LPDDR4 with better power efficiency is already out.
Of course yes. But everyone complains about how Apple has been stingy, but in the end 'everyone' will buy it anyway.
So I am quite confused by their pricing policy. This is audacity
"Everybody" won't buy it. Around 2010, it became the basic model of the MacBook for around 1200 euros. At that time, they also released new MacBook Airs and they cost even less. Anyone who had an iPhone and wanted a new laptop could buy it at a price comparable to PC laptops of the time.
Now MacBook Airs are obsolete, and MacBook Pros are overpriced. A Macbook would need at least a thunderbolt 3 connector and they are also expensive. The price of the macbook pro isli is significantly higher, so it is less available.
The new MacBook Pros actually use processors for ultrabooks and not for workstation notebooks. Apple sacrificed performance and RAM capacity to make a lighter and more compact MacBook Pro. Apple could leave the old body of the 15″ MacBook Pro and put a more powerful 45 Watt processor there and could put up to 64GB of RAM. Now they make a 15″ ultrabook with a maximum of 16GB of RAM for 2700 euros. An ordinary person will not buy it, and a professional will think about whether it is worth buying it, because it will be written off for 4 years and he will need more RAM in less than 4 years. MacBook Pros have had a maximum of 16GB of RAM since 2011, the 13″ MacBook Pro could unofficially have 2010GB of RAM already in 16.
Intel will probably introduce new processors for ultrabooks with support for 32GB of RAM from the beginning of 2018 and not next year. At least that's how he's planning according to leaked information.
Mac Pro, macbook air and mac mini are already hopelessly outdated and practically dead. iMacs need new 14nm graphics and a thunderbolt 3 connector, and macbook at least the thunderbolt 3 connector.
you have nothing there that I (unfortunately) disagree with. But we all know that :/
In general, I'm curious about Apple in the next few years. It seems to me that nothing I do makes sense.
where can you buy 8gb ram for 5 dollars in our country? Give me an example, I'll be happy to buy it.
http://en.chinaflashmarket.com/
The price of memory in the Macbook Pro is really outrageous.
Interesting that when the RAM manufacturer charges a liter for the 8GB of RAM memory, it seems like a completely adequate price to you... and when the 6400 costs 1400 just for VAT, completely without work, it also seems ok and completely fair to you
Of course, no one says that manufacturers should sell it at cost, that is, they buy the chip on the market, put it in the device, market it, and then sell it together with other components as a functional unit called a computer. or minimal modules (those chips on the stock exchange are only chips without a board). so the price, let's say 5-10 times the price, is ok, especially if it's a low-cost, XNUMX-koruna item
but it bothers people when someone pays 5x as much for exactly the same thing as the competition for no apparent reason, if it was 10% more, then you could say yes America, higher wages. but by 500%? mock people
and what are you mixing taxes and VAT with? do you think you don't get anything from the state? that the policemen, teachers, professors, cadastre editors, customs officers, judges, prison guards, cooks in school canteens, firefighters... go to work for free? that treatment in a hospital where it really costs only 1337 per month?
you are so naive that you would fit in some TV show. typically it's a symptom of a libertarian or other similar bastards who only think with their brains
Here it is even more eye-popping. Tech $200 is for memory expansion from 8GB to 16GB. This means that instead of a $5 chip, a $10 chip is attached. The work is the same, nothing changes, he distributed $5 in material.
And that's exactly what the manufacturer charges the real 5 dollars, because in such a volume you can't even buy it from anyone else, because the price for a sub would be several times higher. The chip is manufactured and supplied in China or Taiwan, so VAT/Customs/Logistics are related to the assembled piece. And I am not trying to claim that the manufacturer should not dictate the price, and I understand that Apple feels strong on the market, but the fact that, as a person who is at least somewhat familiar with modern technologies, 6400,- for 8GB of RAM is scandalous to me and that I haven't come across HDD yet because the prices there are not even debatable, as it is Random of the marketing department. Guess I'm not the target group.
Probably nowhere here, but in China http://en.chinaflashmarket.com