Apple picker If you've already read the book Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson, you may have noticed the approach of the iOS and Android ecosystem mentioned. So is a closed or open system better? An article was published a few days ago that describes another difference between these operating systems. This is access to updates and use of older devices.
If you use iOS phones or tablets, you've probably already noticed that Apple releases software updates quite often, and this applies to older devices as well. iPhone 3GS is supported for 2,5 years from its launch. Android, on the other hand, looks like an old, chipped, rusting ship sinking to the bottom. Support for individual devices ends significantly earlier, or even a new Android phone model is delivered with an old version of the operating system - and that is already at a time when a new version is available.
Blogger Michael DeGusta created a clear graph in which you can clearly see that 45% of new users of the Android operating system have a version installed from the middle of last year. Vendors simply refuse to update the operating system. DeGusta also compared the exact opposite of this philosophy - Apple's iPhone. While all iPhones have received a new version of iOS in the last three years, only 3 phones running Android OS have been updated for more than a year and none of them have received an update in the form of the latest Android 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich).
It would seem logical that Google's then-flagship Nexus One would get the best support. Although the phone is not even two years old, the company has announced that it will not ship with Android 4.0. The two most popular phones, the Motorola Droid and the HTC Evo 4G, aren't running the latest software either, but thankfully they've at least received a few updates.
Other phones fared even worse. 7 out of 18 models never shipped with the latest and most current version of Android. The other 5 ran on the current version for only a few weeks. The previous version of Google Android, 2.3 (Gingerbread), which was available in December 2010, cannot run on some phones even a year after its release.
Manufacturers promise that their phones will have the latest software. Nevertheless, Samsung did not update the software when the Galaxy S II (the most expensive Android phone) was launched, although two other major updates of new versions were already in development.
But Samsung is not the only sinner. The Motorola Devour, which fell under Verizon's sale, came with the description of "lasting and getting new features." But as it turned out, Devour came with a version of the operating system that was already outdated. Every new Android phone purchased through a carrier subscription suffers from this problem.
Why is an old operating system a problem?
Being stuck in an old version of the OS is not only a problem for users who are not getting new features and improvements, but it is also about removing security holes. Even for app developers, this situation complicates life. They want to maximize their profit, which cannot succeed if they focus on an old operating system and a large number of its versions.
Marco Arment, creator of the popular Instapaper app, patiently waited until this month to raise the minimum requirement for the 11-month-old version of iOS 4.2.1. Blogger DeGusta further describes the developer's stance: “I'm working with the knowledge that it's been 3 years since someone bought an iPhone that no longer runs this OS. If Android developers tried this way, in 2015 they could still be using the 2010 version, Gingerbread." And he adds: "Maybe it's because Apple focuses directly on the customer and makes everything from the operating system to the hardware . With Android, the operating system from Google must be combined with hardware manufacturers, i.e. at least two different companies, which are not even interested in the user's final impression. And unfortunately, even the operator isn't much help.”
Update cycles
DeGusta went on to say, “Apple works with the understanding that the customer wants the phone as listed because they're happy with their current one, but Android's creators believe that you're buying a new phone because you're unhappy with your current one. Most phones are based on regular major updates for which customers sometimes wait for a long time. Apple, on the other hand, feeds its users with regular smaller updates that additionally add new features, fix existing bugs or provide further improvements.”
Source: AppleInsider.com
Is Android sinking to the bottom? Come on, that's new to me!
Try to read it all over again. In bold is the part that is probably the most important of the entire paragraph.
If you use iOS phones or tablets, you've probably already noticed that Apple releases software updates quite often, and this applies to older devices as well. iPhone 3GS is supported for 2,5 years from its launch. Android, on the other hand, looks like an old, chipped, rusting ship sinking to the bottom. Support for individual devices ends significantly earlier, or even a new Android phone model is delivered with an old version of the operating system - and that is already at a time when a new version is available.
To the bottom? Turn around and hang upside down :)
Mr. Stepaan, can't you clean? The author of the article writes that it looks like that, not that it is so...
Thank you. I'm glad it was understood correctly.
When I'm writing a similar article, I at least study the facts... The update of the Nexus S to Android OS 4.0.1 was launched yesterday... But you probably meant the Nexus One. The reason for this is probably clear, the hardware would no longer guarantee a sufficiently high quality of work and users would have a rather negative experience. That is, probably something similar to if you upgraded an iPhone 3G to iOS5.
My entire statement refers to the following paragraph:
QUOTE: “It would seem logical that Google's flagship Nexus S would get the best support. Although the phone is not even two years old, the company has announced that it will not ship with Android 4.0. "
I would also like to draw your attention to somewhat misleading information about Android OS 4 and updates to it. Android OS 4 was officially launched in November and the source codes were also released in the same month. It all happened about a month ago. Samsung will update SGS2 in Q1 2012, unofficial information says end of January. HTC will be updating basically its entire current lineup.
And finally - don't confuse software, firmware and operating system.
I assume that you do not want to present misleading information to the readers and you will correct the errors in the article.
Thanks for the heads up, fixed.
So I'll try it one more time and summarize it in a few sentences (what the article is about).
Does it seem normal to you that the current news is running an outdated version of the operating system that is more than a year old? Is it normal not to be able to update the OS? I have no idea what the problem is, but as you write, already 3 months after the release of a new version of Android, some manufacturers may be installing it on their devices.
No, it's not normal, but Google has committed major manufacturers (especially members of the Open Handset Alliance) to updates for at least 18 months, so it should change for the better.
The current state is not the fault of the system but of individual manufacturers, for example HTC has been famous for its approach to updates since the days of Windows Mobile.
And just to add, Google's flagship at the time of writing is already the Galaxy Nexus. But you could also find that out with a minimal effort to be objective.
There are more and more Android phones coming out every day, so I don't think this is important information.
And the main information of the article, that android phones have poor support, does not change it in any way, otherwise congratulations on the first update! :)
PS
iPhone 3gs runs nicely on iOS5.
I'm glad that the meaning of the article was understood and that there are no redundant errors. Still, I kind of expected it. Everyone is guarding their own hive, so when I poke the Android one time, I expect a big swarm of green robots.
No, as a correction to an article for which the author did not check the facts, this is important information. I don't mind that it hacks into Android, but don't use incorrect information to do so.
Otherwise, I don't understand who you are congratulating on the first update, I had 6 on the Nexus S;) So roughly the same number as I had on the iPhone 4.
PS Nexus S runs nicely on Android OS 4.0.3 :)
The Nexus S update to Android OS 4.0.1 was launched yesterday...
The article is adopted and was published more than 14 days ago on AppleInsider.com.
Its Czech version has been in our editorial system for some time now. So if I take it from our point of view, the information at the time of writing was true and verified. The fact that the article was published on Saturday is just a coincidence and the information about some things is no longer up to date.
Here is a prime example of how nothing is older than yesterday's news.
Well, I see that Mr. Kubin is playing the admin game again... You're fine with smearing because it doesn't fit your store, right?! To hoe like a garden... TFUJ
Dear reader Mr. Your post was deleted by a colleague, but if I come across it, I will delete it too.
Sorry, but they don't tolerate attempts at flame, insulting other discussants on any servers and they usually delete these posts.
God, it's packed again. Instead of appreciating the work of Mr. Kubin et al., you prefer to criticize them. Mind you, I do this as a hobby. I think that most of the article from them is a certain benefit. I hereby thank the editors for the articles and shame on the serious critics :P.
Thank you. Both for the award for the article and for the editor.
Eternal critic :) I'm criticizing for the first time :) Yes, most of the articles are really factual and beneficial, fortunately, such as today's are rather an exception.
The only message for the editors that should have resulted from my posts is that when they write a flame article, they should verify the facts.
There are many readers who use both iOS and Android alternately (or even all at once) and they will definitely notice and draw attention to it. It doesn't have to be just die-hard Androiders, a lot of people here use an iPad/iPad 2 and an Android phone.
The facts were verified during the transcription. At that time, it was current, and in my opinion, everyone who wants to use two different OS when they want and how they want. I'm not stopping him. The article was taken and did not express my opinion at all. But as you can see, everyone took what they needed from it. The article is clearly marked at the end that it is taken from an AppleInsider source. When I write an article that will express my opinion, I will write it in bold at the beginning so that it does not offend other readers.
Nothing wrong, but the article is manipulative rubbish. For one thing, you can't really compare the entire spectrum of companies (and their devices) using Android with Apple and make any global conclusions from it. Or rather, you CAN, but the result of such an analysis will be misleading from the start. As far as I know, Android can be upgraded completely independently with its own help on almost any type of device, so even your phone that is several years old can get a new system.
The conclusions were not made by us. They were taken from the research of Michael DeGusta. The fact that we published them was only because we found them interesting in relation to the topic, which no one addressed in the comments. If the article offended you, it was not and is not directed against the use of the Android OS. He was merely pointing out facts researched by someone else.
The author of the article forgets the biggest advantage of open source... and that is the possibility of fan versions. I am a very satisfied Android user and I can't let Cyanogen, thanks to which I have ICS, even SGS, what's more, I like about Apple, how there are only articles praising Apple, e.g. there are articles on světandroida and about android errors... But I understand that not everyone is a toy and a geek, so let them buy an apple and think how IN is ;-)
But the article is mainly about the non-support of the Android system by manufacturers.
As far as I know, there are not only articles praising Apple - there are simply articles about Apple, its news, but also its mistakes. When there's something to sing about, it's sung about. When there is something to criticize, it is criticized. I certainly wouldn't look for science in it and I wouldn't compare it to some Android site, it's pointless.
As for open source, it's not on the agenda here at all. If I read correctly, this article is about something else. And if someone doesn't like something in it, try to contact DeGusta, because the information from his blog is the main thing that the article is about. I assume the local editors wanted to point out DeGusta and his publication, whether 90% of people agree with the information there or 60%.
The difference is simple:
Android is a miniature version of Atari. Horror, horror.
iOS is simply this time.
You see - 2 sentences and they say everything.
Let's ask a different question. How many android mobile owners have purchased any app? At the very least, almost (I mean almost) all of you are just stealing. That's why you defend the system. It's incredibly easy to install a warez application and then brag to the world about how great your phone is.
I and most iOS device owners have the apps legally (and not because I didn't know how to jailbreak, I should have, but thanks, no please). I have already put over €500 into it, knowing that I support not only the developers, but also Apple itself. And I'm not complaining about any application, even a few exist only in the iOS only version. I also had an android and that was an absolute waste of money.
For iOS, app updates are available almost daily – and usually NEW features, not just bug fixes.
Likewise, I don't even count how many times I've updated the system (again because of new features). No loss of data, no loss of settings…. try doing this with your androids. Impossible, everything has to be installed again. And at the same time, you suffer, whether it will work out for you at all.
So defend your android, and steal as much as you want. The rest of us have style :P
I have IOS without JB, but if there is a way around paying for applications - I'll go for it.
Developers have to get used to not getting paid for their work - but they advertise themselves and then they need to be hired by big companies and pay them royally. I do not agree to pay for SW.
Even Gott has the same reasoning. He says people are downloading his songs for FREE and he DOESN'T MIND IT!! He understood that those people will come to his concerts and that's business for him!!
Unfortunately - it can turn around - I was at his concert and since he was singing live there, it was impossible to really listen to it……..
But if Kája passes the study, it's a bomb.
Horst, you're angry again!
Which developer gig should I go to? Can you give me some advice?
And the big companies that might hire them will also give the software for free?
I don't know what you do, but how would you like it if your employer or customer didn't pay you? After all, you don't pay for software, so why pay for work, why not, for example, "take" food in a samoška and leave without paying?
I will answer simply:
Comrade Ješíšek brought me Air ahead of time. In good faith, I wanted to keep the mac system by buying MAC OFFICE 2011 there. But I managed to download it for free - we're not Czechs!
I rejoiced - I saved about 3,000. Bomb. But I did not rejoice for long. I found out that the program in Excel, which works without problems on win7, cut these MAC OFFICE completely without problems and made pictures from the functional buttons.
I haven't bought them yet - it's win paskvil lacking 100% compatibility.
Damn I won! Instead of Gates and Jobs robbing me, I pissed them off and that's great. I'm not a SW thief, I'm a WINNER over fraud and, paradoxically, I won over a fraud claiming 100% compatibility again only by fraud - how strange.
I think that apart from the fact that I paid Windows and Apple for the systems by buying new PCs, I don't intend to pay any more expenses with SW.
Hell - whether you like it or not - paying for SW is the way back. Why couldn't the developers be paid from the ad that is displayed for maybe 20 seconds during installation? This is the right way for Libor. Yes, a developer needs something to live on and that something is advertising etc. But paying for apps and SW etc? That's really in the past.
I know, my post probably won't be TOP in popularity, but I think that within 5 years it could become proof that someone from Gottwald knew the right direction in 2011……….
Horst, you are angry, but your posts force me to write several counter-arguments.
The fact that you ripped someone off and got/purchased the thing/software/hardware for free…
It is a matter of your conscience and morals.
Ask Microsoft why it is so, why it doesn't work for them?
Getting anything for little money or "for free" doesn't mean it's right - and that it's moral.
However, the incompatibility of programs on different platforms is probably another matter.
I'm sorry but I haven't stolen a single app either for iOS or Android. I buy everything honestly. Apple has set the bar here and app prices are reasonable, I don't see why I should steal anything. In addition, there are events on the AppStore and the Market in which bad applications can be purchased for two bucks. So only a moron would steal with forgiveness.
Both platforms are on the same page with updates. I haven't updated apps on the Nexus S since I bought the Galaxy Nexus and in those 4 days there were 23 updates waiting for me today :)
Android OS has already been updated twice since 4.0.1, in both cases new functions especially in applications. In addition, USB Host support was added in 2, so it is not a problem to connect USB devices (keyboard, mouse, game controller, flash drive) to the phone.
So far I haven't lost any data even with a single Android OS update. So yes, I tried, I didn't have to reinstall anything.
Bottom line: the iOS and Android systems are not that functionally distant from each other, the vast differences are breaking down from both sides (in iOS 4 multitasking was added, in iOS5 notifications were similar to Android, on the Android side there was a several-fold jump in the user interface in version 4.0, that's all is not only a system for geeks, it is also pleasing to the eye and user friendly).
And to your wish: I will defend Android, but I will definitely disappoint you with this stealing. And I have style too, not only thanks to the sexy Galaxy Nexus ;) If someone thinks they have style just because they have an iPhone, we should probably feel sorry for them.
No one has said this opinion here. Reader and commenter only. We are not saying that a person with a bitten apple is better than someone with an Android. And I personally did not compare these systems at all. I just took the statistics of someone who thought about this topic.
Just for me personally: I would never say that Android is "user friendly" - but ONLY MY OPINION. I do not like. That's all. But I don't tell anyone and I don't claim that those who don't have iOS can't live.
If it was a reaction to my answer, I was responding to reader Aneta.
She was. I missed the line. Pardon.
First learn something about android before you just insult it... It's because of people like you that I would never buy an apple...
Yes, I know something about android and most likely a lot more than you do. I myself am the moderator of the android forum until now, I have used android since version 1.5, I wrote a lot of instructions for changing themes, root and similar nonsense.. But enough about me.. During two years of use, I have changed several train ships of android from different manufacturers and it always had exactly the same scenario: the most powerful phone on the market, which usually didn't get the next version of the system, and when it finally got it, two more versions of the android OS were already out, so it was the same age. This is the approach of the famous, or rather terrible companies like HTC, Samsung, LG, ….. You buy their phone and in a month you can change it because there are 3 better phones out there. Without the XDA community and people like cyanogen etc. android would be lost. But when the green sheep step on a chicken's eye, then the discussion under the article looks exactly like this one. Android is mostly defended by people who don't know iOS, who throw dirt on it and know everything only by hearsay, and people who simply don't have it or their parents won't buy it for them... By the way, where are all the iPhone and iPad killers today? In oblivion …….
I completely agree with this, I own both systems and Samsung (Android) was even a flagship. They are simply consumer devices that only lure you with hardware and then it works in every way and the support is lousy. But the fact is that, on the other hand, I bought the product because I liked it at the time of sale. I didn't worry about security holes back then, but today I prefer not to do anything important on Android, yes, it doesn't even work well enough.
I bought my son an HTC Tattoo with Android 2 more than 1.6 years ago.
To this day there is no system update and this historical one doesn't really work.
This was the end of Android in our family.
Did iOS follow? Or WP7?
And congratulations. You are one of the few who commented on the content of the article and did not address the iOS vs. Android.
I'm sorry, but reader Aleš doesn't comment on the article much. By the way, the HTC Tatoo was an ultra-cheap low-end phone already at the time of launch, and the HW corresponded to that. Again, there is the question of how to secure updates for HW that is already backward at the time of launch.
Here I would give a little bit of truth to the author of the article and add that Google should set the minimum HW specification of the device so that this does not happen.
He comments. His comment refers to the topic on which the article was based and does not address whether or not Android is good or not (which was also not the intention of the article). Rather, it looks like a discussion under the article about the article, which does not appear here at all. It's a shame that only a few people understood the true meaning.
And yes, I agree with you that Google should have established a minimum HW specification so that it is not the target of insinuations that it does not have an updated OS.
I'll add one more point of view. The truth is a bit debatable, but that's where the discussions come from.
Personally, I have an iPhone because there was nothing more convenient at the time. I tried Windows Mobile and HTC and after a few months of suffering with calls dropping randomly I put it in the drawer forever.
Today, if I wanted to buy an Android or mobile phone with this OS, I don't even know which one. The choice is huge and it even seems too frantically rushing forward to me. I can't get a new mobile phone with the latest OS, and the moment the new OS is already installed by default, I firmly believe that the newer OS will at least be available on some XDA pages, so if I don't have time to play with it, I'm out of luck again...
Well, secondly, I would be really annoyed if I bought a mobile phone for, say, 12.000 (let's say a flagship) and at least 2 to 3 better models come out in the next six months. This will essentially devalue my investment in such an expensive mobile phone.
In conclusion: it's great that there is competition for Apple, but it seems to me that if Google also produced HW together with the OS, it would be just the right thing. Thus, there will always be disputes between the OS and HW manufacturer, why this or that is not the same. It's just too frantic a development and doesn't inspire any confidence in me. At least in the sense of investing many thousands in bloated HW.
This was a question that was addressed by Microsoft at the beginning of the digital era, and is being addressed by Google today. Both giants have always offered their software to anyone who would ask for it (and of course, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some commission from it), especially for hardware developers. Both promoted the method of maximum openness. On the other side was Apple itself, which (mainly thanks to Steve Jobs) promoted closedness - they will make HW that will merge with their SW and it will "just work". I admit that this is probably not the way to get everyone individually, because there are people who just "like to fiddle" on the phone. I'm not one of them personally, so I'm fine with being closed off. I'm afraid this situation will always be here. It will always be a struggle between closedness and openness.
I have a reservation about the "relatively frequent iOS updates": It would be much better if Apple released updates less often, but better tested.
I bought a new iP4S. He unpacked, activated, updated to the latest version 5.0.1 and got a luxurious and brutally overpriced paperweight with the inscription "Designed in California, Assembled in China".
T-Mobile wants nothing to do with it at all. Official Britex service told me that it was basically my own fault by "updating" it. But that they will replace it for me (but only once - if I destroy it by updating to the latest version of Apple SW a second time, they will not replace it).
BTW: This has been going on for almost 3 weeks now and it's really annoying me - I asked T-Mobile about the statistics and they are still under ten percent - but still, this is not a good business card for Apple... I'm not surprised at all, that O2 doesn't want to sell iP4S when there are so many problems with it...
I also think that this is how Apple tests the version. It's just true that 1% of phones don't have to cooperate with such a massive production.
I don't have this experience. I know that Apple cares about the products it sells as much as it cares about its customers. The problem will rather be that the operators in the Czech Republic still do not fully understand the rules that Apple sets. For example, O2 tried this case, as you mentioned, when they did not agree with Apple to sell the iPhone 4S. But I don't think it's because the iPhone is a bad device.
However, I completely understand that this inconvenience may have angered you.
"I'm not at all surprised that O2 doesn't want to sell the iP4S when there's such a fuss about it..."
A bit of a misguided opinion. Do you think that a couple of months ago in O2, they estimated that iP4S on patch 5.0.1 would have such problems in the Tmobile CZ network? Or that they had the iP4S for testing about a month ago and they didn't like it - that it would be a flop and they wouldn't go into it? Or that they did a survey and that I simply have no interest in IP4S customer O2? About the iP4S, which has sold so much around the world that the last manufacturer doesn't even dream about it?
The problem with iP4S and O2 (to be precise - O2 Czech) is elsewhere - it is in the relations between the Czech O2 and Apple. Ceske O2 simply does not want to accept Apple's terms. An example can be the long-term inoperability of the iOS personal hotspot in the O2 network. Why do the other roads and international ones (including O2) not have problems with this? Why does the personal hotspot work in their sites? Who knows.
It's off topic, but I'll answer.
The iPhone 4S is with T-Mobile is a carrier issue as it strangely works on other networks, but it's possible you have a defective piece.
In my opinion, Britex's argumentation is completely misguided and legally challengeable. You can complain about the product 3 times for the same error/deficiency/problem and then you will be refunded or the product will be replaced.
… I'm not surprised O2 doesn't want to sell the iP4S when there's so much fuss about it… I'd rather not comment on the situation around O2, but... Before any problems with the iPhone 4S were known (because it wasn't even on the market), O2 CZ came up with unrealistic demands on Apple and that, to put it politely, sent them into hell.
Well, I'm with O2 and no problems at all. We have 8 quad iPhones in the company and they all run without problems after the update. Personally, I would see this file as a problem with the Czech T-mobile, because I didn't have any problems with the American T-mobile either.
do you see I said that errors are calculated in a total of 1%.
Basically, the blogger is right. It's really sometimes a problem to guess which phone will receive the longest updates.
The manufacturers complicate the installation of their own versions(*) by locking (disabling writing) the part of the memory where the phone's firmware is stored. This then leads to the search for fine methods, how to remember to unlock the part and get another ROM there. Fortunately, this does not apply to everyone, the clear exception is Sony Ericsson, which decided not to lock any more and even gave the developers of Cyanogen (probably the most famous unofficial ROM) phones for testing.
Our family (me, wife and son) has been using iPhone exclusively for the third year. My daughter wanted a Samsung because of her classmates a year ago thanks to sending some birds via BT etc... Everything works for us and we have no problem. She keeps saying that something is wrong, it cuts, etc. But she has what she wanted. In any case, she says her next phone will be an iPhone. Everyone is an engineer of their own lapalia.
I guess. Everyone can like something different, but then it's about whether it will work as you dreamed.
Thank God, I have the Motorola Milestone, the first flagship that Motorola sent to battle with Android. After a week of use, it just turned off and wouldn't turn on, had to go to the service center, where they repaired it even more. After constant delays, Motorola finally released an update to 2.2, after installation the phone became even more unusable than it was on 2.1 The whole phone is insanely slow, sometimes unusable and the prospects for any further updates are zero and the phone is only two years old. The only good thing about this phone is the design, which has no competition. Android phone never again!!!
Guys, I don't understand the point of these discussions at all. I have an android and I'm very satisfied, but that's about my opinion on the matter. I don't force it on anyone. When I wanted a tablet, I found out something about it. fully limited, but I went into it with that, but it's so stupid to suggest to someone how iOS is the best, I really don't understand it, everyone has different needs and requirements, so I'm not going to impose them on myself, you open iOS similar to Android and we'll solve the same problems here, both systems have something in common but blindly defending something that doesn't suit someone else is quite stupid.
You would understand if you read the article and not the discussion. We do not decide whether iOS or Android is better. But what time does the software update come out?
Correction have a nice day :)
iOS suits me almost perfectly, but the fact is that I have no personal experience with Android. I had a hop in my hand for 5 minutes when a friend showed it to me, nothing else. but I already had a whole range of iOS versions and the only thing I still miss (sometimes) is the inability to send e.g. photos via BT. In addition, no one really explained to me why Apple does not officially support it. I'm not talking about sending between iOS devices, but for example from an iPhone to a Nokia, etc... I used to have a JB, so I switched it over to Celeste, but it still wasn't quite the same. It's a shame, I would use it sometimes. Sorry for Off Topic… :)
Personally, I've only needed it once in my time using iOS. Nothing since then. When they are no longer classmates, it stops being interesting. And so I never dealt with it that much. It's true that it might hurt Apple a bit, but even then they won't allow it and won't offer such a function. In terms of marketing, it's clear. They just want to sell their devices - anything can be sent between them :D
sorry for the Czech language, I was in a hurry :)