Ondrej Holzman The new MacBook Pros have caused numerous reactions to almost every piece of their equipment, and much has already been written. Last we detailed discussed that there is a big difference between USB-C and Thunderbolt 3, because a connector is definitely not the same as an interface, so it's important to have the right cable. Although Apple presents four new and unified connectors in new computers as a simple and universal solution for everything.
Apple sees the future in the unified connector. Apparently not only him, but the situation with connecting USB-C and Thunderbolt 3 into one is not so simple yet. While you can easily charge and transfer data to the new MacBook Pro with one cable, another cable - which looks the same - will not transfer data.
Petr Mára is one of the first Czechs who new MacBook Pro with Touch Bar publicly unwrapped (overtook probably only Jiří Hubík). More importantly, however, Petr Mára encountered a problem with different cables during the unpacking and initial setup of the new computer.
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When you're setting up a new computer and want to transfer data from your old one to it, you have a few options on your Mac to do this. Since Petr was traveling and had an older MacBook next to him, he wanted to use the so-called target disk mode (Target Disk Mode), where the connected Mac behaves like an external disk, from which the entire system can then be restored.
In the box with the MacBook Pro, you will find a USB-C cable that you can use to connect the two MacBooks, but the problem is that it is only rechargeable, or rather it is called that. It can also transfer data, but only supports USB 2.0. You need a higher speed cable to use disk mode. It doesn't necessarily have to be Thunderbolt 3, but for example a USB-C / USB-C cable with USB 3.1.
However, in a real situation, as Petr Mára inadvertently demonstrated, this means that you need to buy at least one additional cable for such an activity. Apple offers the necessary in its store cable from Belkin for 669 crowns. If you want Thunderbolt 3 straight away, you'll pay a minimum 579 crowns for half a meter.
But the price is not necessarily the problem. It is above all about the principle and simplicity of use, which get a lot of attention here. Apple is known to cut the equipment and accessories of its products to the highest possible level to maximize its high margins, but it is not a little excessive to get a computer for 70 thousand (it can cost 55 thousand, but it can also be 110 thousand - the situation remains the same) did they get a cable that can't do everything just to save apple a few bucks?
Again, I note that it's not so much about the price, but mainly about the fact that you even have to make a trip to the store or order a cable in order to use the new MacBook Pro's capabilities to the full, which can be an annoying problem in some situations. It is all the more incomprehensible in a situation where Apple first decided to implement the new connector standard in a big way, but with its move it confirms that the matter is far from as simple as it tries to indicate in its advertising materials.
Thank you for the critical view of Apple and its products on this website. More such objective articles!
I wonder if Apple has finally worked on the quality of those cables. As far as what he delivered is a tragedy. No other cable for other electronics is so prone to wear.
Complete agreement! Definitely the best quality cables I've seen.
Tim Cook: "Our North Star is making the best products that really enrich people's lives, and if we can't do those, we pass." ... sure :o)
It's all about the price, the charging cable is much cheaper than the TB/USB3.1 cable…
If Apple makes a few million MBPs and bundles an ordinary cable with each one, it has a much higher profit on the scale of production than if they bundled a cable that costs half a dollar more to make.
Isn't it more likely that it connects on the wrong side? They have already solved it somewhere that for the 13″ model there are only TB3s on the left side and on the right side (where the jack is) there is only USB 3.1
No. Fixed MBP 13″ without touchbar only having 4 ports vs tb version which has XNUMX.
So I'm kind of right =) It's not that bad (it's not just USB 3.1), but the right side really has lower performance. See http://www.macrumors.com/2016/10/28/macbook-pro-tb3-reduced-pci-express-bandwidth/
No, TB3 are on both sides, only the right one is a bit slower (TB2 level speed)…
Sure, I found it, but my question still remains. Is the problem a cable or a bad hole?
In this case, clearly the cable - the supplied one is simply not guaranteed for data transfer. It is necessary to buy one...
Only on that video, one realizes that not only is there a risk of damage to the USB/C on the MBP charging side, but also actually on the charger side. Horror. I'm not against progress, usb/c is probably unstoppable, I understand that philosophy. Only the absence of magsafe is incomprehensible. Even such "fans" as P.Mára won't talk me out of it.
I understand your indignation, thank God there are already elegant and practical solutions? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3789e6f45c625d999651a21103dfc163c68eca57cadfbe6a4fa4351966262ab2.gif
Me...I have nothing against God, but he probably has nothing to do with it. If you consider the Znaps to be an elegant and practical solution, then the old, integrated one was inelegant and impractical? This is great for both manufacturers and people who like to shop.
Of course the original MagSafe 2 was perfect, I didn't invent the USB-C/TB3 hysteria. I'm just trying to find a way to not lose this perfect concept.
LOL. Or how Apple becomes DODO products. This noodle that is created will probably have to disconnect from itself whenever I take it on my lap.
Otherwise, I don't know how it is with this particular one, but with certain "like" MagSafe, for example, Vláďa Janeček warns about sparking when connecting/disconnecting, which is just one big fail. Anyway, it doesn't matter, all I've seen so far is ridiculous nonsense and that means only one thing to me - MagSafe will have to marry.
But ZNAPS has not yet arrived to anyone who ordered it, and people have been waiting for it for several months... Znaps is a scam, when someone starts producing such a thin magsafe reduction, I will buy it.
You can buy it for microusb and lightning, but not yet for usbc (one type exists, but it is wide and sticks out of the MB, so it makes no sense).
So, thank you for the information, I did not know that the connector is not produced in practice. :-(
'But the price is not necessarily the problem.'
'so that you may'
'which can be an annoying problem in some situations.'
TV…
Oh yeah, thanks. Unfortunately, we got a version without final proofreading. It's already fixed.
dude :D
I didn't understand what the video was good for... he must be very happy to have a new book.
this is one of the so-called unboxing videos that have been common and quite popular on youtube for a long time. Youtubers share unboxing of all kinds of products and share first impressions of the way the product is packaged, the amount of added accessories, or the product itself.
In fact, he almost doesn't even show the package, and we mainly look at him the whole time. When I do unboxing, I only put the camera on the packaging and the product..
I don't understand the fuss at all. Did you get the charging cable? They got it. Don't be angry, but if I need a special cable for connection, I'll just buy it. It doesn't matter that the laptop costs 70 taka. If they promised that the attached cable is for everything, that would be different, but Apple did not claim that anywhere. I'm not an uncritical Apple fan, even though I like the company very much, but what you all criticize here is just stupid. Go return it if you don't like the cable. It's just like that with everything. Do you think Mcintosch (a manufacturer of High-Tech amplifiers) will give you Monster cables for this?
Complete agreement. Most people will not need anything other than a charging cable. The cable should be with what I want to connect. For a monitor, external disk, etc. You can argue that not all reductions are available for a 70k notebook. It wouldn't ruin Apple either, but why? For other notebooks, do you need an hdmi cable or the thunderbolt one? No? And why, if they have these ports?
Here, Apple gives you a cable that at first glance looks like you can use it with the new Macbook for everything, but you can't. I think there is a lot of mess in cables with a USB-C connector, and a normal person will then have several "same cables" at home, and when they need to connect something, they will look for the right one, which is wrong.
If I charge my MacBook Pro with four chargers at once, will it explode?
It won't explode, but it will charge up sooner.
No, it won't charge quickly. It will be charged with the cable that will flow the most current
and has anyone tried putting lightning headphones into the 'new' magic mouse? I wonder how it sounds.
edit: or:
http://img.igen.fr/2015/11/macgpic-1448878674-102632309543466-sc-op.jpg
A Thunderbolt 3 cable will not help in this case, because the 12″ macbook does not have a Thunderbolt port.
But there is a th3-USB-c cable that will work, right?
No.
The 12″ macbook only has a USB C port version 1.0 with a speed of 5Gb/s.
Macbook Pro late 2016 only has a USB C port version 2.0 with a speed of 10 Gb/s, which also has a hidden Thunderbolt 3 port.
This means that they can only be connected via a USB C cable and only at a speed of 5 Gb/s. No Thunderbolt cable can be used to connect the two Macbooks.
It may be possible to use it, but it will run at 5 Gb/s.
If the cable only supports usb2, then it's shit. But I don't understand why I should restore my Apple device from a backup using a cable?? I solve such problems once, at most twice in a very long time and that *wirelessly*!!! All the more so, on such a super modern machine. "Cable"!??? :D
Well, it makes quite a difference if you copy something at a speed of 1 Gbit/s or 40 Gbit/s, respectively if you only write 125 MB/s or 2000 MB/s to the disk
There is a difference, but in order to recognize it, you would have to have an external disk array with Thunderbolt, which costs from 70 to 300 CZK, a homemade solution from Lacia, or at least have an external SSD thunderbolt disk, but I don't know how it is with usbc/tb3 backwards compatibility with Tb2...otherwise you're right, of course, I'm just pointing out that many people won't use the potential of Tb3 yet, except in the case of connecting an external 4K/5K LG panel.
I'm not at all surprised that they screw something up again, lol
Apple used to say: "It just works."
Now the customer will receive a "data" cable that will not transfer data even between the last two macbooks ( macbook pro late 2016 and 12″ macbook early 2016 ) that Apple introduced to the market.
Thunderbolt 2 devices are not compatible with this new macbook pro even through the reduction to Thunderbolt 2.
Thunderbolt 3 devices with a Texas Instruments chip are not compatible with this new macbook pro.
USB C cables can be 5 Mbit and 10 Mbit and are mutually incompatible.
Apple is hell on earth.
Apple the Dongle Company convinces us how innovative it is :-)
As if they didn't even try it before launching it.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1j8gkjp-i4o
Apple has completely lost touch with reality. The video speaks for itself - they made a beautiful aluminum thing, but unfortunately it is impossible to work with it. I'm going to quickly buy a previous model MacBook Pro - while it's still available. And I hope he'll hold out for me until that apple Balmer is fired. Steave did a lot of great things, but he also totally failed some. The choice of Cook as his starter unfortunately belongs to the latter category.
But you must have a very sad life. I am sorry for you…
I don't want to look for it, but doesn't the tb or usb-c cable have a maximum length? If apple gave you a cable for the charger half a meter long, you wouldn't like it either.
Well, 2 meters will still pass.
Apple saves unnecessarily on accessories and at the same time they make a lot of money... :-( iPhone 6 had headphones in the box, 7 no longer. iPhone 7 headphones do not have a cable clip. The iPhone charger has been the same for years and the capacities are increasing, so charging takes unnecessarily long long…
Where did he find out that there are no headphones in the iPhone 7 box?
No, I meant that the headphones are no longer in the case. (to the box) But I messed up elsewhere, the clip on the headphones is there. :D
“When you're setting up a new computer and want to transfer data from your old one to it, you have a few options on your Mac to do that. Since Petr was traveling and had an older MacBook next to him, he wanted to use the so-called target disk mode, where the connected Mac behaves like an external disk, from which the entire system can then be restored".
What are the other options? I used to transfer old mac to new mac via home wifi. Cool and calm. I don't know who, but when I'm traveling, I can't shout that I can't throw a bar...
It needs to be restored from a Time Machine backup.