Tomas Chlebek It is often possible to justify the higher prices of Apple products compared to the competition. But the most difficult thing has always been to meaningfully explain the price differences between devices with different memory sizes from the user's point of view. This is even more true now than before, at least when it comes to the cloud.
Google presented yesterday some interesting news, the main one being the Google Pixel smartphone. Google claimed it has the best camera of any smartphone. So it makes good sense to offer users as much space as possible to use such a camera. This means Google will offer Pixel users unlimited cloud storage for photos and videos – in full resolution and for free. At the same time, Apple provides only 5 GB for free, demands $2 per month for 20 TB of space on iCloud, and does not offer unlimited space at all.
Perhaps it could be argued that the user does not pay for Google's space with money, but with privacy, since Google analyzes the media (anonymously) and uses the findings to create advertising opportunities on which it makes money. Apple, on the other hand, does not work with advertising at all, at least for its cloud services. However, he pays handsomely for the hardware.
Apple constantly reminds us that its software and hardware are better matched than those of other manufacturers, but the effectiveness of their cooperation is increasingly dependent on cloud services. On the one hand, the possibilities for using them are increasing (e.g. multi-platform system mailbox or desktop and documents synchronized to the cloud in macOS Sierra and iOS 10), on the other hand, they are constantly limited.
However, Google's approach is an extreme case. There are still zero Pixel users, while there are hundreds of millions of iPhone users. It's hard to imagine what server arrays would have to look like that would allow all iPhone owners to enjoy unlimited media storage.
However, Apple's offer is the worst in terms of price among all major cloud storage companies. One TB of space on iCloud costs 10 euros (270 crowns) per month. Amazon offers unlimited storage for half the price. A terabyte of space on Microsoft's OneDrive, with a price of 190 crowns per month, is not far from Apple, but its offer includes complete access to the Office 365 office package.
The closest to Apple's prices is Dropbox, whose one terabyte also costs 10 euros per month. However, the situation is quite different for him than for Apple, as it is his only source of income. And even if we don't take this into account, Dropbox also offers an annual subscription, which costs 8,25 euros a month, so the difference is almost 21 euros (CZK 560) per year.
The biggest problem remains that Apple's cloud services basically operate on a kind of disingenuous freemium model. They seem to be a free part of every product with an internet connection, but in practice this is far from the case.
Amazon Drive for $60 a year - unlimited :)
With the fact that Apple does not analyze it, I would be quite careful. Now it looks like yahoo snooping.
https://www.letemsvetemapplem.eu/2016/10/05/yahoo-udajne-vytvoril-spehovaci-program-prohledavani-e-mailu-svych-klientu/
Only mamlas can store things in any cloud. Not just for snooping, but because it can be hacked and data stolen. Apple has experience with this.
Here you are. So where to store the data so that it cannot be stolen?
Where the mas is under similar control mamlasi.
Besides, it's only a matter of time before someone steals them from you. The second is that someone likes Google or Yahoo in them.
I don't have a place where I can have data under personal control and at the same time be sure that no one will hack/get to me. Wow? Where you live? In a safe?
Flash, HDD…..? Since the cloud is a safe, see info on reconciliation. Bavis.
What are you talking about? I didn't write that the cloud is a safe or the best, read it again, if you are already reacting, react exactly to what I said and don't manipulate it.
Flash and HDD are at the same level of security as the cloud. By that I mean that someone can steal your apartment, house, or bag even easier than the cloud. That's why I asked what you use.
I am responding exactly to what you wrote, that I live in a safe.
Definitely not. You probably don't know that flash or HDD can be encrypted and you have personal control over it. You have absolutely no control over what happens to your stuff on the cloud.
So once again, not only can someone steal them, but the operator is also spying on you.
Another disadvantage is the necessity of access to the net and also the condescension of the operator that they simply do not package it.
I didn't write that you live in a safe, I asked you. Read carefully otherwise I won't move in the discussion.
Ok, I forgot about encrypting the files, I agree with that, so I have nothing more to add.
Well, the password is nice, but if someone really wants the data, you'd be happy to give it to them instead of beating it out of you and using other methods ;)
Well, that's a bit exaggerated. The sad thing is that I save something somewhere and the operator goes through it for me.
Sure, I just pointed out that even if you have the data on an external drive in a safe at home and it will be really interesting for someone, if he puts a gun to your head, you open the safe and serve the data to him - the only protection is quite simple - not to have such data ;)
The cloud - I believe that Apple should already access iCloud encryption - so that the government cannot demand this data from them. I don't know if it's already working or not yet, but it's a reaction to last year's disputes with the FBI and I suspect it should have happened with the arrival of iOS10.
What is the difference if I save the encrypted files on flash/hdd or in the cloud?
Yes
So read it, the priest doesn't say it twice.
In that the flash or HDD can "go wrong" at any time and we know where all the data, even if encrypted, etc., is. Or you can make backups of backups, but that's already on Bohnice. ?
Photos and data are much safer on iCloud than on your computer. And forgive yourself for that bullshit, it only speaks about you. Or were you not taught good behavior at home?
Are some examples from life enough as proof?
1. Four-disk sauce NAS, RAID 5, single disk failure tolerance. Connected to UPS. However, when shutting down, two disks were damaged at the same time. Data recovery cost approx. 40 CZK. so 000% restored. So everything from that remaining 80% that wasn't on the cloud is gone forever.
2. Another customer - photos are stored on an external drive. The external drive is gone. Data recovery valued at approx. 20 CZK, not accepted by the customer. All photos that were not in the cloud, irretrievably gone.
3. Stolen iPhone. Cloud backup not set up. All gone.
And on the other hand (real examples again)
1. Stolen iPhone. All in the cloud. The customer bought a new iPhone, put down a deposit and went on a ride.
2. Stolen laptop. Data stored on Google Drive. Bought a new laptop. Sign in to Google Drive. Data back.
Of course, the data in the cloud is secured before deleting the files, no one doubts that. on the other hand, it is more likely (due to the history of IT companies on the market and painters) that someone will view your porn photos with your wife from the cloud, rather than from a DVD that you burn at home
by the way, we are talking about cloud backup and home backup. raid is not a backup, it is a production solution that minimizes loss. it is backed up X times for a given period of time, copies are not smeared or several variants are kept, a proper backup should not be stored in 1 place but at least in two other locations (due to fire, flood, electric shocks, etc.), it is primarily backed up on the device which are less prone to failure... and for home users, I would highly recommend 2x flash cards, one in the safe and one in the basement and it's quiet and you'd lose your job (or at least you'd have no one to restore the data to)
Yes, we are talking about an ordinary user to whom data (unencoded) is synchronized "somewhere" from an IP or another phone.
Phone book, photos, movement history, health data, ……
An example of leaked "celebrity" photos, I think from London is an example.
A computer with, say, 256 GB of flash for a few crowns will reliably provide me. The discussion is about nothing, i.e. not a corporate solution.
j dyt yes, the people discussing here don't understand that a lot of people use 1 password for all services and websites on the internet, no one has to necessarily hack apple, they just need to hack whatever you use and it's painted, you won't lose data on iCloud due to HW errors, but it's more likely that they won't just be yours and they'll see a person you don't want it with, or that the person will delete you after he hacks your account, whereas at home you really risk the maximum loss of data, which can be almost eliminated for a few hundred crowns and a plastic box for flashcards, which today are consumer goods (I have about 30 of them, like a tailor in a cell in JAR :D
The problem is that, in addition, they also reconcile the operators. I recently found out that Mega, owned by Dotcom, was bought by some Chinese company. I don't want to entrust my things to someone, somewhere, when it changes hands. This is not to say that Dotcom is a saint and does not reconcile. But the fact that I have a different owner doesn't give me much confidence. That's why flash is closer to HDD for larger files.
So sorry. I understood that we are talking about primary data storage. It's probably not worth talking about backups. I know how people back up in practice. :-) That is, most people only start backing up somehow after they lose their data for the first time :-)
I don't like your examples, but...
In my life I have had countless computers, external drives, flash drives and memory cards. He sent me one HDD, my own stupidity, I dropped it. Another thing is how much a similar cloud would cost.
Just because something is in the cloud doesn't mean it can't be lost. I don't want to look for it, but as an expert you will find it yourself. Even the cloud can collapse and lose user data. It was here too.
The primary discussion is about the fact that the operator reconciles the user's data, which somehow ends up on their own hdd or flash.
I don't prevent anyone from using the cloud, it's everyone's business, but I personally have data with me, without the need to be connected to the Internet, risk viewing what is in the cloud or, as in the case of Yahoo mail, I have. And pay for it. It's just more flexible.
It depends a lot on what we call "data". If someone decides that they don't want to upload photos they took at home with their girlfriend to the cloud, I understand.
But I have no problem with Google looking at my bank statements.
It's probably not even worth discussing how you can get access to other people's health cards and similar private data. There are a lot of people who still have illusions because they live in blissful ignorance :-)
Even the NAS needs to be backed up if there is valuable data there. RAID only reduces the risk of data loss, but cannot completely eliminate it. It doesn't even have to be multiple bad drives at once, but the controller or something else could be going crazy.
what annoys me about Apple is that it gives the free 5GB to the Apple ID and not to the device. So I still only have 5GB for my phone, tablet and laptop.
In addition, its cloud service cannot be compared to google drive, dropbox or OneDrive. You can do a lot more.
I hope that in 2017, when it will be the 10th anniversary of the introduction of the first iPhone by Steve Jobs, Apple will give everyone 5GB free on iCloud instead of 10GB... I hope...
I have the basic 5 GB and I haven't even used a quarter of it yet. And it's because I don't save photos and videos to iCloud Photo Library, but to Photostream albums. They do NOT count towards the size of iCloud and the space for such photos is practically UNLIMITED. It's just that Apple doesn't shout about it anywhere, of course it prefers to charge monthly fees for a larger iCloud.
Interesting info, what photostream albums do you mean please? Is it under the "Shared" category or is it a new version of the original Photostream that only stored 1000 photos (and no videos)? I have a 64gb iP and iCloud is driving me crazy. I've been using it since they first introduced it. I could survive the occasional deletion of photos (even if the message about the low capacity in the storage pumped up a vein on my forehead), but the fact that I have most of the content somewhere in the cloud and even on LTE, some images take even half a minute to download - sometimes not at all, it annoys me the most. I'm not talking about the fact that it eats up my LTE :-)). I already wanted to cancel iCloud for photos about 5 times, but I just can't wait 90 hours on the net for my library to be packed on icloud.com anymore:-)) Thanks for the info and have fun.
I've added a hopefully comprehensible "how-to" a bit higher.
Still backing up ;-)
The same mistake over and over again: Apple has been offering unlimited space for photos and videos on its iCloud for several years. Its only limitation is in the size of photos and videos, respectively in their resolution. If you put your photos in the Photostream albums and NOT in the iCloud Photo Library, Apple will reduce them from the original to a resolution of 1536 × 2048 and the space for these photos is unlimited, at least 50 TB. The same applies to videos that Apple downsizes from Full HD to HD on iCloud. But a lot of people still don't know about it. And the 1536 × 2048 resolution is more than sufficient for photo presentations on television and other devices – tablets, etc. Or do you know someone who prints their photos on billboards?
I found this on the apple website:
A shared album can hold up to 5000 photos and videos. If you reach your iCloud Photo Sharing limit, you need to delete some photos or videos before adding new ones. The photos and videos you share (and the comments or likes associated with those photos) stay in iCloud until you or the contributor delete them manually, or until you delete the shared album completely.
The photos and videos in your shared albums are kept in iCloud, but they don't count against your iCloud storage limit.
I don't want to be a nitpicker, but it doesn't seem to be unlimited
ah, I'll answer myself. It's only within one
Albums. :)
You were a minute faster :-) What is important for me personally is that as soon as you place the photos manually from your phone in that specific shared album on iCloud (or even on Google) with a name (holiday, etc.), then the photos you can delete them from your phone with peace of mind, they don't take up any space on your phone, and they don't take up any space on iCloud either - they don't count towards your prepaid space and are there forever. It is the placement in shared albums that is important. Then you also have good order in the photos.
And the limit also applies to the original album Family?
If so, does Apple envision creating a new one after it's filled??
I have no idea what you mean by "original album Rodina".
I personally create albums based on events and places where the photos are from and I have several dozen such albums. The point is that the photos MUST be in some shared album that you create as I wrote. Many people are not aware of this very foundation. They take x photos, which, for example, are automatically transferred to iCloud and left there. And then they are surprised that they disappear after 30 days. But those 30 days are precisely for the user to arrange and sort the photos into shared albums, then the photos placed in the albums will no longer be lost, and the number of those albums and photos (and videos) is unlimited. That's why I personally have this automatic transfer to iCloud turned off in the settings, I sort my photos manually on my phone and then send them to iCloud in these albums manually.
The Family feature, when activated, creates a shared Family album, and I wonder if it also has limitations.
I can't advise on that, I don't use the "family" function. But there is nothing easier than trying it. The question is whether the "family" function uses photos from the iCloud Photo Library or from Photostream. I really do not know. Photos in iCloud Photo Library count towards paid space, photos in Photostream albums do not.
Do you know if it is possible to change the opening photo and rearrange the order of the individual albums for shared albums? I didn't find that option anywhere.
thanks :)
Unfortunately, I can't advise you, I haven't solved this problem in any way yet.
This means 5000 photos in ONE shared album. But how many albums you have is up to you. I don't have that many photos on iCloud, but at least that's how I understood it. But maybe I'm wrong. However, as I wrote elsewhere, today I share photos not only on iCloud but also on Google, where it is very similar.
Otherwise, I will add – Google has also had this unlimited storage for several years, and similarly to Apple it is limited only by the resolution of the photos – in their case it is 16 Mpx, which is more than Apple's (5 Mpx). And it also applies to Google that when choosing this resolution, the original photos are automatically reduced in size.
https://support.google.com/photos/answer/6220791?hl=cs&ref_topic=6156061
I will try to describe how to UNLIMITED space for photos on iCloud, which has been working for several years.
1.) Turn off "iCloud photo library" and "my photostream" in the photo settings - this will prevent automatic sending of photos to iCloud, and turn on "iCloud photo sharing"
2.) when you take a picture of something, select and mark the pictures you want to put on iCoud in the list of these photos. At the bottom left, tap on the arrow in the square, choose "share photos on iCloud" and now watch out! At the bottom, tap on "shared album", then "+ new shared album" (or choose an existing one), choose a name, then the person you want to allow access and publish.
In this way, you copy the selected photos to the album created in this way, which you can then delete from your phone later, preferably the next day, leaving you with an empty space on your phone. The photos are then forever in naiCloud and are visible on the phone in Photos - Shared. The condition is, of course, an internet connection. And beware – THEY DO NOT count towards the size of iCloud and the space for them is UNLIMITED. The same applies to recorded videos. The only "limitation" is the resolution of the photos. Photos in these albums are "only" 1536 x 2048 and videos are "only" HD. So it's up to everyone if they "must" pay for space for photos for billboards and 5 megabytes is not enough for presentation on the web, comps, etc.
The bottom line is that many people confuse Photostream with iCloud Photo Library. Photos in Photostream albums do not count towards iCloud size, but photos in iCloud Photo Library do. And with the size of the originals, even a tera is not enough in a while... I hope I described it clearly.
so you want to say that apple offers a HORSE service for unlimited storage than google, do I understand correctly?
Yes it's right. At least in that Google offers a better resolution of those photos in the unlimited space for photos - 16 megabytes compared to 5 megabytes for Apple. Honestly, I already save my photos like this on Google. Both now have their cloud photos very similar and their photo management apps are good. Subjectively, I even think that Google has them even better... :-)
Perhaps I would also like to add that Google will keep the resolution up to 16 Mpx in the unlimited mode, but will certainly use greater compression for jpg. It will have no effect for normal viewing, it will not be suitable for any further adjustments. But photographers know what I'm talking about and use other programs.
For more edits? Jirko, get your feet back on the ground. It's a mobile phone, a mobile phone. Even if a good photographer. Comoros doesn't impress anyone.
Jirko, could you please also give me instructions on how to automatically display angry photos in photos?
These photo albums are displayed automatically in the Mac's Photos - Photos in the "Shared" folder in the left column.
Jirko (and everyone else) - 1536 x 2048 is not 5 mega but 3 mega. ;-)
Thanks for the tutorial.
Just one question. How do I look at those photos other than on my iPhone? E.g. in PC?
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Photos are visible on all devices that are connected to your iCloud or to which you sent an invitation. For example, to friends, etc. If you make this album of yours public, you can also generate a link for the website, and then with this link everyone to whom you send this code can see your album on the website in the web interface - in your browser on any computer.
Just about the inaccuracy in the article. With Microsoft, you can have a terabyte of data for about 113 CZK per month - 4 euros - for companies. For 20 CZK per month for individuals, including office ones.
how is he behind? I have mega with 50GB free, Google with 25GB free and flickr with 1TB free. which one is the most powerful and fastest? iCloud with 50 GB costs 99 cents a month. I don't see a problem with that. it's a complete no-brainer, it's a quality service.
iCloud runs on Google servers.
Interesting reading in this discussion. The most amused was Pchoř Štajn, who is afraid of clouds and prefers to carry data on flash drives. That's really really stupid. Today, perhaps even an averagely intelligent person can calculate the probability of data loss and the cost and amount of time spent on their own memory solutions. Storing data at home is really stupid, you need to understand that and only then can you move on.